i feel like snw still suffer from the legacy of picard and disc too much. being run by the same showrunner.
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kboos1@lemmy.world 3 days ago
DISC did a lot of bad things to Trek just for shock value. But in a utopia there still has to be rules, Burnham committed probably the worst crime in the Trek universe, she disobeyed a direct order, started a mutiny and opened fire on an alien ship, which started a war killing millions. The only reason she got out of prison was because her boyfriend from an evil universe broke her out of prison under false pretenses hoping that since she started a war in this universe that she was just as evil as her counterpart. How messed up is that? Then her redeeming moment is she seized command of the ship and starts a civil war and threatens to blow up another species home world to end the war she started. That’s some cowboy shit right there. All because he has unresolved child hood trauma. She deserved to got to federation vacation colony for life.
Kelvinverse would have been great as a big budget sci-fi franchise if it wasn’t set in the Trek universe. You can pretty much ignore Kelvinverse movies and pretend that it was just a fun experiment.
SFA and SNW are just trying to undo the mistakes of DISC.
PIC got a lot of things wrong but shared trauma from an unprovoked attack by the Romulans hacking Androids and forcing them to attack people would trigger mass panic and fear that it could happen again, I don’t think that’s far fetched.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 days ago
Kirk@startrek.website 3 days ago
The “this specific person (who happens to be a woman and black but that has nothing to do with it I swear) must be punished for being a naughty bad girl” fantasies always make me super uncomfortable BUT it’s nice to see someone not calling Burhnam an overly perfect Mary Sue for once.
kboos1@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Do people fantasize about that? I would think that the writers and show runners should get the flak for DISC, that was a terrible redemption story, “The only why to stop this war, is more war”, like wtf were they thinking?
List of captain’s major misdeeds from the top of my head-
Sisko was accomplice to murder and many war crimes by his crew. Didn’t go to jail and actually became a god.
Can’t think of any serious crimes Picard committed and got away with. There were a couple times he disobeyed orders but it was usually to save or protect someone or something, and that was few and far between.
Janeway broke the prime directive every Tuesday, except when she was stopping someone else from breaking it.
Kirk broke the temporal prime directive and the regular prime directive, routinely disobeyed orders, stole the enterprise, and wasn’t afraid to step into some morally gray areas. He got positive results, so he got demoted and promoted and demoted and got promoted to desk duty.
Pike hasn’t really stepped out of line except when he help DISC escape the rogue AI thing and breaking the temporal prime directive.
Archer was stubbling into trouble by mistake and there weren’t really any rules for him to break but I can’t think of any major crimes.
Freeman wasn’t really onscreen much but she doesn’t seem to be the start a mutiny, shoot first and start an galaxy wide war type.
Worf would never dishonor federation or his family.
Riker wasn’t on screen much but he does seem like he would get into some trouble, although when he was #1 he doesn’t seem like the mutiny and start wars type either.