Mormons took that and really ran with it, as their a “Doctrine & Covenants” are much more blatant in support of rape. Joseph Smith told Emma Hale that God would destroy her for refusing to marry him.
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Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 weeks agoThere wasn't consent though. It can be spun that way, but biblically Mary was destined to carry, and screw any free will.
Epp4@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Cruel@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
How do they support rape? Or do you consider it rape of I tell I woman she’ll go to hell if she doesn’t consent?
Epp4@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Because in D&C 132:54, Emma is threatened with destruction if she refuses. That’s called rape by duress.
Cruel@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I believe they were already married for many years before that. The threat of destruction was if she didn’t stay loyal to him in their marriage. She’s specially mentioned because she was consistently against polygamy, so this is more accurately described as intimidation to stay married. It’s a stretch to say it supports rape, no more than marriage itself is a social/legal pressure for those married to have sex with each other.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
She did consent though. It’s in the account.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Yes. it can absolutely be spun that way, as I said. As most anything in the Bible can be. Let me ask this then. Could she have said no? And when would that have happened?
nexguy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are we really debating the sky wizard role playing game book?
Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
No, just debating which set of rules we're playing by.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
It’s in Luke chapter 1. I mean a lot of people believe believe none of it happened, whatever. But consent was part of the account.
Epp4@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
That was AFTER impregnation, though, and under duress from supernatural beings. I don’t think that’s the correct order of operations for valid consent…
Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
I guess it's consent. The master/deity or their aide comes to the servant and tells them of master's will, the great plan. The servant says, yeah, okay.
Yet another fail in writing. Why not make it so God and Gabriel give her the choice, and she adamantly agrees? Remove all doubt from the story's plot. Or better yet, add some drama, have Mary unsure, and Gabriel explains the importance (not that it's already planned, but why her choice is key to the direction of salvation and all that). And she with some thought decides to do it.
Oh, right... that would give a woman some agency. Never mind.