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• mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Carnist is a description of someone who has a meat-inclusive diet, other descriptions of people by what they can or cannot eat are e.g. vegan, lactose intolerant, celiac… It’s not a “name” you call someone, it’s a description of someone using a certain aspect of them relevant to the discussion.

  A “name”, as in, something used to insult would be e.g. corpsemuncher, bloodmouth, cheesebreth &c.

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  • lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s used as a pejorative. It’s disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I mean in the same way as “terf” I guess

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  • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    So, nonvegan people?

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The point behind not using “nonvegan” is that it frames carnists as "the normal"s and the “vegans” as the one who have “something special” going on. This is true with celiac and nonceliac, lactose intolerant and not lactose intolerant. But we argue that veganism, i.e. not killing if unnecessary, is the normal thing to do. That the only reason it doesn’t seem that way is because it got normalized through repetition and how widespread it is.

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      • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I guess a vegan would see the point in that. Vegans are normal in my book, as in they are people. If they didn’t call themselves vegans, I wouldn’t call them any particular way as a noun. If I needed to describe them, I’d say, “they are people who only eat vegetables”.

        I get it, though, it’s a discourse battle derived from their moral views and expected ethics. It’s just they don’t come across as very approachable.

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• core@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  another user said it’s like how christians call non-believers sinners. that makes sense to me.

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  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The actual term is secular. The ones using sinner are the vegans of the Christian world.

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So you’re saying the ones who call nonchristians “sinners” are correct?

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