Comment on Starting to think affluenza might be a real thing.

• PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The “monster” framing precludes the idea that they even can be rehabilitated.

  Maybe this makes me a bad anarchist, but it truly feels like capitalists are monsters that can’t be rehabilitated. Like I really want to believe that everyone can be rehabilitated with enough help, but can we really rehabilitate the few thousand people who are like Epstein in finite time?

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  • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There are degrees of sickness, right? An asshole business owner who feels entitled to run red lights and speed because they’re white and have a nice car and know the police chief’s son probably doesn’t need life imprisonment or execution.

    I mean, I wouldn’t really be too upset if they were executed, but it just seems wasteful.

    On the other end, people in the Epstein files might need to be hospitalized for more than a single human lifetime.

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    • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      There are degrees of sickness, right?

      Absolutely, 1000%. And the example you gave, 1000% with you on the possibility of rehabilitation there. Frankly, I think that 99.9999% of people can be rehabilitated in finite time. The other 0.0001% are literally the billionaires and their cronies. (And I believe that this is numerically in the ballpark, since the billionaires number about 3000 and there are about 8.2 billion humans on this planet.)

      On the other end, people in the Epstein files might need to be hospitalized for more than a single human lifetime.

      Yeah that’s really who I’m talking about when I have my doubts about rehabilitation for a very small subset of people.

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  • draco_aeneus@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Even if we can’t, should we not try? It’s only, as you say, a few thousand. We can spare the resources to keep them locked up/under house arrest/whatever for the rest of their natural lives if we must.

    If we must execute people to heal the wounds inflicted by their sheer callousness, then so be it. But I don’t really accept the argument that anyone is “irredeemable” without even trying.

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    • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Even if we can’t, should we not try?

      Of course we should try, that why I said it feels like capitalists can’t be rehabilitated, not that they definitely cannot be rehabilitated and we shouldn’t even try.

      Yes I’m definitely biased to predict that almost all of the capitalists wouldn’t succeed in even attempting to rehabilitate themselves, but I’m absolutely not willing to close the door for rehabilitation either.

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      • draco_aeneus@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Ah ok. That’s not how I understood your comment initially, but that’s reasonable.

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  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Maybe they can’t be rehabilitated. Maybe they can. Idk. I’m not here to make that call. All I’m saying is that they make for very interesting case-study.

    I don’t think you can get to any level of extreme wealth without some amount of personality disorders. Is this what happened when those personality disorders are left untreated, or worse, enabled?

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