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Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday.

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blueryth@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Let’s set aside the ridiculous bad faith restatement aside as just an emotional reaction.

Here are things that are occurring: actionnetwork.org/…/ice-out-of-everywhere

This is 10 seconds of typing into a browser to attach to a single organization effort. Yet “nobody knew about it, nobody is backing it, nobody is leading it, etc.”. You’re objectively wrong. You’re willfully ignorant. You would know this if you even attempted to look. It’s the coldest its been and people are in the streets across the country. Get up, go outside, and find out. And repeating this the futility of it all is exactly how you support the current tyranny facing us.

You seem so frustrated that people are patting themselves on the back for sharing jpegs, yet you sit here doing significantly less than the bare minimum. You are working against it.

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Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m not wrong, the results speak for themselves. Are you going to honestly sit and here and actually argue that this was a great success? It’s disingenuous. There was no impact whatsoever.

And repeating this the futility of it all is exactly how you support the current tyranny facing us.

No, you’re supporting this fascist administration by naively and arrogantly doubling down on something that’s clearly not working. We’re not going for participation awards here. We want real, tangible results. The reality is that this sort of shit is just performative and it does nothing as you clearly see, but it doesn’t have to be like this. These efforts could be so much more effective if they worked to apply pressure locally first before attempting to go nationwide.

You seem so frustrated that people are patting themselves on the back for sharing jpegs, yet you sit here doing significantly less than the bare minimum. You are working against it.

Quite the assumption, wouldn’t you say? I wouldn’t waste my time arguing with you if I didn’t believe in what I said. I’m actually active in my the efforts of my local community, which is why I can see things clear as day. Democratic movements have to be built from the bottom up to produce real change. A simple 1 day strike from any profession, like teachers or nurses, in a single city like Boston would have more impact both in the short and long term than faux “national” strikes like this. Why? Because that concentrated pressure will actually cause the people to notice and the people in power to panic. That’s real pressure.

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- blueryth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  I’m not wrong
  
  Except for this whole part
  
  Nobody knew about it, nobody is backing it, nobody is leading it, there’s no goals, there’s organization, there’s no coordination, there’s literally nothing
  
  Look, I gave it a pass with your snarky restatements. But this is just gaslighting.
  
  I’m actually active in my the efforts of my local community
  
  Good. Hopefully you’re not busy being snide and gaslighting with them.
  
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  - Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Except for this whole part
    
    If you actually took the time to read my comment, you would’ve understood the context right away. I was very clearly talking from the perspective of the general public. Go to your average American, not even, go to your average politically active young left wing American and ask them about the ICE out strike, and I guarantee you that they wouldn’t know a damn thing about it. Ask them if they knew if the strike was even a thing, ask them if they knew the leaders, ask them if they knew the goals, ask them if they knew how they could get involved in the organization efforts, ask them if they knew what organizations sponsored the event, ask them literally anything about it, would they know any of it? The answer is a resounding no.
    
    You can sit here and try to double, triple, and quadruple down on me being wrong here, but again, the results speak for themselves. You’re literally arguing against reality here. Actually now that I think about it, what in the fuck are you even arguing for? At least I’m providing criticism for improvement. I’m seeing something that’s clearly not working, and I’m providing what I think would produce better results. What are you doing? You’re trying to shut down my criticism without a second thought, actually no, without ANY thought. You’re going out of your way to defend an event that was objectively a failure. What for? This is precisely the time for internal discussion and criticisms, because that’s how movements grow… and you’re saying my criticisms carry water for fascists? Man, shut the hell up. You’re literally standing in the way of progress. If you’re not actually planning to help refine or expand the efforts here then just get out of the way.
    
    Look, I gave it a pass with your snarky restatements. But this is just gaslighting.
    
    You know it’s ironic because you’ve been providing nothing but snarky statements
    
    Good. Hopefully you’re not busy being snide and gaslighting with them.
    
    Do you seriously not see the irony here?
    
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