How could Piefed make this disparity of blocking philosophy mesh with Lemmys here?
Without forcing every server to adopt the same blocking system universally? It can’t. What it’s doing now is functionally no different than if they hid replies on the user front end for users blocking others outside the home instance, except instead of doing this non-destructively (and preserving data pairety across instances), they’ve decided to blow huge holes in the federation service that are no longer mirrored on the other instances.
If the piefed method of handling blocking is to make it impossible for all users in every instance incapable of replying to a user who has blocked them, then every server would need to adopt the same method universally. Piefed has every right to hide content from their users that their users have chosen to block, but doing so by rejecting that content for the whole server while the rest of the network carries on ends up creating shadow forums on every instance.
rimu may still have made his own reddit clone or someone else may have - which would handle things very differently
That would be preferable to the ‘embrace, extend, extinguish’ path that they are currently on.
Skavau@piefed.social 2 days ago
Right, so it should be on Piefed to accept Lemmy’s blocking system even if Rimu disagrees with it?
This doesn’t bother me that much primarily because defederation differences can cause this anyway.
If a hypothetical lemmy-alternative existed, regardless of why, it could still cause disruption in all kinds of ways if there’s a fundamental design contradiction ethos.
anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Which is why it’s important for users to reject attempts at splitting the network into different codebases in the firstplace.
That piefed and many of its users reject working with lemmy devs on principle over political grievance doesn’t change or justify the fact that they are destroying the democratic nature of the federated network they’re taking advantage of.
Which is why defederation is a last resort and usually requires some democratic discussion as an instance. Same with instance-banning users - that ability is limited to admins, which means users can hold them accountable if there’s abuse. It’s a reason why i consider users who go out of their way to foment division against other instances or users over petty disagreements are caustic and unwelcome, but are at least still working within a decentralized and democratic framework. When any user has the ability to create the same kind of holes in the network, all accountability vanishes and it starts to look like swiss-cheese.
Skavau@piefed.social 2 days ago
It is what it is. Mbin also existed before Piefed.
You’re assuming some hand has been offered that has been slapped away by Rimu. I’m not aware of this. I’m pretty sure they have shared information about things in the past.
I mean yes, and no (depends on the instance), that’s true but you know as well as I do three instances of note are heavy defederated (hilariouschaos being the third incase you were wondering). Plenty of smaller sloppy attempts also get defederated fast too, usually stuff like maga.place.
anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Mbin isn’t nearly as egregious as piefed in the way they introduce breaking changes to the network.
I’m not assuming anything, it’s been stated repeatedly. Rimu could implement his preferred features in ways that don’t degrade the health of the network but chooses not to.
I’m not sure what relevance that has, but you can count those instances on a hand missing two fingers (i’d note that dbzer0 does not defederate from 2 of the three that I assume you’re referring to, nor would I advocate for it). It would be interesting for someone to map out just how much of the fediverse is effectively being defederated for piefed servers with large user block lists - i imagine it’s quite a large chunk, especially when the most popular users to block are the ones producing the most activity. The larger those servers grow, the bigger those holes will become.