No, it’s in principle undetermined in ideology. Historical ones, even Stalin or Pol Pot variants, were rather right wing. But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.
Fascism is in fact a right wing system
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Bruh do some basic research… Here’s a 101:
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
Non-leftist doesn’t equal right-wing. Anarcho-capitalism is right-wing, but opposite from fascism.
Fascism requires no logical structure and no coherence in ideology. It requires the ideology to be bendable all ways each moment for each different situation. Which, well, is natural for an ideology reliant upon violence and emotion above all.
That leftists try to mix fascism and normal conservatism is a purely leftist sexual problem, that doesn’t concern others until leftists pretend it’s commonly accepted.
Then, of course, when most of the “revolutionary” competition is leftist, fascism becomes anti-leftist and allies right-wing forces.
But also Nazi and Soviet propaganda on the British Empire were amazingly similar in archetypes and emotion. Which would be a rare case of “fascism against right-wing forces”.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Anarcho-capitalism is right-wing, but opposite from fascism.
Only in terms of talking the talk. In practice, ancaps who get power quickly go full fasc.
doben@lemmy.wtf 2 months ago
Oh, the historical fascisms such as under Stalin and Pol Pot, right.
it’s in principle undetermined in ideology
Correct in so far, as it‘s determined by economic system. Which happens to align with left/right ideology.
But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.
You making shit up depending on how your tummy feels, don‘t you?
Please stop using the internet.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
How to detect a commie idiot without them naming themselves.
I’m actually using Eco’s version, and he’s notably leftist.
Please stop using the internet.
Smart thoughts were chasing you, but you were always faster.
doben@lemmy.wtf 2 months ago
I would have been more impressed, if you‘d actually provided argumentative content instead personal attacks.
Not sure, what you used Umberto Eco‘s definition for, but it wasn‘t to formulate a coherent thought on the topic.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No it’s not entirely clearly defined. But a few elements appear in all of them: Anti- communism/socialism, dictator, far-right idiologies, nationalism…
I wouldn’t say any if these are desired by leftism, or rather opposites.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Yes and “both sides of the aisle” are fascist.
OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Is this supposed to be a gotcha?
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I did some reading, it seems I had a misunderstanding of some of the finer details. Perhaps authoritarian or totalitarianism are better terms? I’m not sure, but regardless, I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism couldn’t be employed by the political left, which I guess is the point I was originally getting at.
athatet@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
If the left employed fascist tactics then they stop being the left.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
So communist governments that have used media control, militarism, cronyism, violated human rights, etc., aren’t left-wing?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
No, they’re state capitalist.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Leftism overtly opposes the tools of fascism: sexism, racism, imperialism, nationalism, etc.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Except left-wing nationalism is a thing that exists. And those aren’t the only tools of fascism. Fascists are known to control mass media, but thats not inherently a right wing thing. Corruption and cronyism aren’t mutually exclusive to the right. Military supremacy isn’t inherently right wing. What am I missing here?