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EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

If a project doesn’t make it dead simple to manage via docker compose and environment variables, just don’t use it.

I run close to 100 services all using docker compose and it’s an incredibly simple, repeatable, self documenting process. Spinning up some new things is effortless and takes minutes.

Sometimes you see a program and it starts with “Clone this repo” and it has a docker compose file, six env files, some extra fig files, and consists of a front end container, back end container. Database container, message queueing container, etc… just close that web page and don’t bother with that project lol.

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mrnobody@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I agree with that 3rd paragraph lol. That’s probably some of my issue at times. As far IT goes, does it not get overwhelming of you had a 9 hour workday just to hear someone at home complain this other thing you run doesn’t work and you have to troubleshoot that now too?

Without going into too much detail, I’m a solo operation guy for about 200 end users. We’re a Win11 and Office shop like most, and I’ve upgraded pretty much every system since my time starting. I’ve utilized some self-host options too, to help in the day to day which is nice as it offloads some work.

It’s just, especially after a long day, to play IT at home can be a bit much. I don’t normally mind, but I think I just know the Windows stuff well enough through and through, so taking on new Docker or self host tools stuff is Apple’s and oranges sometimes. Maybe I’m getting spoiled with all the turn key stuff at work, too.

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- EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I’m an infrastructure guy, I manage a few datacenters that host some backends for ~100,000 IoT devices and some web apps that serve a few million requests a day each. It sounds like a lot, but the only real difference between my work and yours is that at the scale I’m working with, things have to be built in a way that they run uninterrupted with as little interaction from me as possible. You see fewer GUIs, and things stop being super quick and easy to initially get up and running, but the extra effort spent architecting things right rewards you with a much lighter troubleshooting and firefighting workload.
  
  You sorta stop being a mechanic that maintenances and fixes problem cars, and start being an engineer that builds cars to have as few problems as possible. You lose the luxury of being able to fumble around under a car and visually find an oil filter to change, and start having to make decisions on where to put the oil filter from scratch, but to me it is far more rewarding and satisfying. And ultimately the way that self hosting works these days, it has embraced the latter over the former. It’s just a different mindset from the legacy click-ops sysadmin days of IT.
  
  What this looks like to me in your example is, when I have users of my selfhosted stuff complain about something not working, I’m not envisioning yet another car rolling into the shop for me to fix. I envision a puzzle that must be solved. Something that needs optimization or rearchitecting that will make the problem that user had go away, or at the very least fix itself, or alert me so I can fix it before the user complains.
  
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theparadox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

That being said, I think there’s a bigger issue at play here. If you “work in IT” and are burnt out from “15 containers and a lack of a gui” I’m afraid to say you’re in the wrong field of work and you’re trying to jam a square peg in a round hole.

Honestly, this is the kind of response that actually makes me want to stop self hosting. Community members that have little empathy.

I work in IT and like most we’re also a Windows shop. I have zero professional experience with Linux but I’m learning through my home lab while simultaneously trying extract myself from the privacy cluster fuck that is the current consumer tech industry. It’s a transition and the documentation I find more or less matches the OPs experience.

I research, pick what seems to be the best for my situation (often most popular), get it working with sustainable, minimal complexity, and in short time find that some small aspect of my setup has literally zero documentation for getting some other vital part of my setup working. I find some two year old Github issue comment that allegedly solves my exact problem that I can’t translate to the version I’m running because it’s two revisions newer. Most other responses are incomplete, RTFM, or “git gud n00b”, like your response here

Wherever you work, whatever industry, you can get burnt out. It’s got nothing to do with if you’ve “got what it takes” or whatever bullshit you think “you’re in the wrong field of work and you’re trying to jam a square peg in a round hole” equates to.

I run close to 100 services all using docker compose and it’s an incredibly simple, repeatable, self documenting process. Spinning up some new things is effortless and takes minutes to have it set up, accessible from the internet, and connected to my SSO.

If it’s that easy, then point me to where you’ve written about it. I’d love to learn what 100 services you’ve cloned the repos for, tweaked a few files in a few minutes, and run with minimal maintenance all working together harmoniously.

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- EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You’ve completely misread everything I’ve said.
  
  Let’s make a few things clear here.
  
  My response is not “Git gud”. My response is that sometimes there are selfhosted projects that are really cool and many people recommend, but the set up for them is genuinely more complex than it should be, and you’re better off avoiding them instead of banging your head against a wall and stressing yourself out. Selfhosting should work for you, not against you. You can always take another crack at a project later when you’ve got more hands on experience.
  
  Secondly, it’s not a matter of whether OP “has what it takes” in his career. I simply pointed out the fact that everything he seems to hate about selfhosting, are fundamental core principals of working in IT. My response to him isn’t that he can’t hack it, it seems more like he just genuinely doesn’t like it. I’m suggesting that it won’t get better because this is what IT is. What that means to OP is up to him. Maybe he doesn’t care because the money is good which is valid. But maybe he considers eventually moving into a career he doesn’t hate, and then the selfhosting stuff won’t bother him so much.
  
  As you learn more about self hosting, you’ll find that certain things like reverse proxy set up isn’t always included in the documentation because it’s not really a part of the project. How reverse proxies (And by extension http as a whole) work is a technology to learn on its own. I rarely have to read documentation on RP for a project because I just know how reverse proxying works. It’s not really the responsibility of a given project to tell you how to do it, unless their project has a unique gotcha involved. I do however love when they do include it, as I think that selfhosting should be more accessible to people who don’t work in IT.
  
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  - theparadox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I’ve misread the tone, I agree. I apologize for that. However, I find that his complaints were not about things that are always “fundamental core principals of working in IT”. For some, sure, but where I work I’m by far the employee with the most familiarity with CLI/powershell and scripting. Almost everything is done via a GUI or web interface if it can be. I would tell any of my coworkers that maybe IT isn’t for them.
    
    I also, in a rush to finish, misremembered and incorrectly reread some of your words too quickly. You did not recommend the “clone a repo” solutions, you advised against them. Again, I apologize. I still am suspicious of this massive collection of self hosted services that work perfectly with each other after like 20 minutes of tweaking and little maintenance. That was what I was trying to imply with that section. I’ve lost close to a dozen 6-10 hour sessions on Saturdays pulling my hair out because I can’t seem to find out how to do some specific things that it seems like I need to do to make some “easy” new service to work with my setup. It’s like that Malcom in the Middle (?) clip of the dad 5 projects deep at the end of the day trying to fix some simple problem in the morning.
    
    I’ll try to document some of my issues this weekend. I would honestly appreciate any help or recommendations.
    
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    EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    For some, sure, but where I work I’m by far the employee with the most familiarity with CLI/powershell and scripting. Almost everything is done via a GUI or web interface if it can be.
    
    I don’t mean this in a disparaging way because I too got my start in an environment like that, but that’s a very legacy environment. When I talk about core principles of working in IT, I mean the state of IT today in 2026, as well as where it’s headed in the future. It sounds like your workplace is one of those SMBs that’s still stuck in the glory days. Thats not what IT is it’s what IT was. And so unless you’re currently end of career, you’re going to have to give that up and embrace this new paradigm or be washed out eventually. So when I say “It isn’t the field for you” in the context of OP I just mean that it isn’t going to get better. It’ll be less and less like the way you know it every day, and more and more like the way OP doesn’t like it.
    
    For example you say you are the most familiar in your entire workplace with “powershell and scripting”, however I literally got teased just the other day by solving a niche problem with a powershell script. “How very 2010 of you”.
    
    I don’t say this to belittle you, as I was the same guy as you not too many years ago. And I get that you’re banging your head against this new paradigm, but this is the stuff you really do want to stick with IF it’s your goal to grow in IT long term. It will click eventually given enough time. I am definitely willing to help you with any questions you might have or perhaps if I have time I can try and demonstrate my workflow for a standard container deployment.
    
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- WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Honestly, this is the kind of response that actually makes me want to stop self hosting. Community members that have little empathy.
  
  why. it was not telling that they should quit self hosting. it was not condescending either, I think. it was about work.
  
  but truth be told IT is a very wide field, and maybe that generalization is actually not good. still, 15 containers is not much, and as I see it they help with not letting all your hosted software make a total mess on your system.
  
  working with the terminal sometimes feels like working with long tools in a narrow space, not being able to fully use my hands, but UX design is hard, and so making useful GUIs is hard and also takes much more time than making a well organized CLI tool.
  in my experience the most important here is to get used to common operations in a terminal text editor, and find an organized directory structure for your services that work for you. Also, using man pages and --help outputs. But when you can afford doing it, you could scp files or complete directories to your desktop for editing with a proper text editor.
  
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  - theparadox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    IT is a very wide field, and maybe that generalization is actually not good
    
    That was what set me off. I was having a bad morning and misread the tone to be more dismissive than it likely was.
    
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