Comment on Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse

• davel@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ultimately the problem is that the mods for the communities they frequently post to have allowed this to go on for years. They have to know by now what’s going on, and by doing nothing they tacitly endorse it.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t mind it too much. If the community itself can deal with ir by voting on the posts, it’s a more democratic solution and it has a built-in consensus. Mods killing it makes life easier but it produces more quesrions among the community abt whether that was the best course of action.

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• JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Out of interest, how do you know it’s sockpuppets?

  To be honest I’m genuinely a bit interested in who this might be. I’m imagining a disgruntled Hong Kong exile with too much time on their hands. Also seems likely to be Chinese in that they have a top-down concept of information, not seeing that obvious and relentless propaganda will just backfire with a sophisticated and relatively informed audience. Perhaps I’m being slightly optimistic, but I can’t see how they’ve convinced anyone here that “China bad” who didn’t already think that.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What I’ve noticed:

    • The posts themselves follow almost identical structure. Large quotes with poster emphasis.
    • The posting topics is almost identical.
    • The reliability of sources is hit-or-miss on all posts. Some are from legit sources, some are from really questionable ones. The questionable ones are common between accounts.
    • The communities where they’re all active are the same. Lately there’s a bit more separation where some accounts frequent some communities more than others. E.g. some time ago we used to get Hotznplotzn, randomname and Scotty in !Canada. Now we mostly get Scotty.
    • When you engage in conversation the lang expression, attitude and arguments are identical. This when I really noticed the pattern.
    • I’ve had multiple accounts from this set group up/down vote their/mine comments, deep into a discussion that didn’t attract other up/down votes.
    • I’ve had a discussion that reached a dead end with one account, only for another to show up and restart it from a different angle attempting to reach a different conclusion. E.g. first discuss an economic side of some China-related issue, reach a dead end, restart with human rights abuses side on the same topic. That’s while having the group up/down voting action going on.
    • Two of the accounts were created on the same date, on two different instances, a few minutes away from each other. This was the smoking gun for me that this is the same person.

    Some of these aren’t damning on their own, but put altogether make me believe it’s one person. Also they never deny that when pressed. The conversation just stops and they disappear for a day or two until the next post.

    a disgruntled Hong Kong exile with too much time on their hands

    Quite possibly. I think they may live in Germany or be German because I’ve seen some activity in German. Who knows. I doubt they’re a paid actor because there’s enough money in the official media machine pushing this line so I think you’re right. Someone who really hates China/CCP/CPC, perhaps for a good reason of their own, with a lot of free time.

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    • JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Amusing. And what detective work! Your time is valuable, careful not to waste too much of it.

      Personally I’m not especially bothered by sockpuppetry in itself (talking of people wasting their time…). But it’s obviously important to have a plurality of viewpoints. If only they would sockpuppet more creatively!

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      • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, I do spend too much time here but I think it’s important to keep the community active because we haven’t won the anti-corpo social media war yet. So we have to overcontribute in content, funding, etc. From each according to their ability, etc.

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