Build it on top of Bittorrent. If you like a post, you’re seeding it. When you want to stop seeding it, your like goes away.
Then popular things will have a large pool of seeds mitigating much of the bandwidth cost to the instance host.
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FirmDistribution@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoI think it’s hard to host a video-focused social media on the fediverse, I imagine it would have a high cost to maintain.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Postimo@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think people would be pretty quickly upset by the batter and storage drain from this. I have to imagine if picking an instance is a barrier to mastodon, most folks are not interested enough to learn the mechanics of why likes suddenly use system resources, and see it as a failing of the app.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Plus the network usage for people with data caps, ISPs who throttle you for any p2p traffic etc it’d be a mess. Not to mention torrents usually have a ‘ramp up’ time as they find and connect to peers, probably not what people used to and endless stream of autoplaying short-form videos would want.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t see any other choices other than:
- You host it yourself. (Peer to Peer social media)
- You pay someone else to host it for you. (Instanced social media)
- You trade your digital freedom, privacy and political stability of your country to someone else to host it for you. (Meta, X, TikTok)
3 hasn’t been working out so far and people really don’t want to have to pay another subscription. So you can spend your battery life and data instead. Maybe setup the service so that other people can seed on your behalf, so you could use your own resources or pay for someone elses all in the same ecosystem.
Peertube does a similar thing, using bittorrent to share the load, but it only works while you’re actively watching the video so outside of very popular videos it is usually just the instance who is providing bandwidth. By tying the data sharing directly into the primary interaction method it creates a much larger pool of peers and, eventually, once everyone stops seeding it the data stops existing.
No permanent record of everything you’ve ever posted, no central repository of data to be hoovered up by the AI startup who pays off the instance owner, no empowering a single person to control all of social media for their own selfish ends.
Postimo@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I am aware of the problems and have had similar thoughts about how best to deal with the taxing reality of streamed video, but I think the reality of it is, while already fighting the network effect and ad budgets, someone that downloads an app and see it saps half their battery for that day because they liked 5 videos and left, they are going to uninstall it.
I think instanced makes the most sense, and even that would be a hard ask if popularity every spikes.
I think the fact that Peertube which I think of as more a PC interface, where bandwidth and power consumption are less an issue, but still chooses to limit the peer connections to active watching speaks to how discordant the idea is with what people expect from streaming media.
I would happily use a desktop app as you described, so if it ever exists, let me know 😁
klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol 2 weeks ago
Honestly the best way I’ve seen this handled is how Odysee did it. There’s crypto involved, but ignoring that, they essentially just asked users to choose to allocate an amount of their hard drive/bandwith to be used for storing, and sharing videos.
That would work better from an end user perspective, rather than running their data usage up, and using storage on a storage-limited device like a phone, and I’m sure there’s a way to incentivize it that isn’t crypto
sakuraba@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I don’t get it, isn’t sharing videos generating data usage? I need to check how that works
klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol 2 weeks ago
It would be, I forgot to mention an important piece: Cellular data is typically metered relatively strictly (most plans I’ve seen allow “unlimited”, but it’s usually slowed way down if you use more than 10-15gb in a month) where most home internet connections aren’t, and with something like TikTok the expected use is mobile. If we’re going with the like = seed option, that does imply the seeding is happening from the device that liked the video.
With the Odysee model, I could set up my home PC (on an unmetered* connection) to have, say, 250gb set aside for videos to be shared from. It would be an intentional act that is unambiguously using up some bandwidth/data, and can’t be as easily misunderstood by the end user. Maybe find some way to incentivise it (preferably not crypto, but I do dislike this implementation of crypto less than most), but largely I think helping the community would be incentive for enough people to keep the network going, at least for a while.
*They’re technically metered, but every internet plan I’ve seen limits you to terabytes of data up/down, not gigabytes
ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
loops.video
FirmDistribution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
oh damn, I didn’t notice it is open source at first
woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It wasn’t for a while.
FirmDistribution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
good to know, thanks for the info