Comment on US-led Gaza plan to force Palestinians into dystopian re-education camp leaked
mrdown@lemmy.world 1 week agoThen the PLO, who want languishing in exile, was brought in by Israel in a chance to seek a peaceful settlement. Oslo was a step in the right direction. The peace deals were rejected by Arafat.
Why do you always lie ? Arafat accepted Oslo accords, recognized Israel and rejected armed resistance. He rejected Camp David because all Palestinians rights given by international laws was not addressed . Blaming Arafat is like blaming Zelensky for refusing to give up lands to Russia .
Even former Israeli prime minister admitted camp David was a bad deal . If I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well - SHLOMO BEN-AMI
Limerance@piefed.social 6 days ago
What Palestinian rights by international law do you mean? UNSC resolution 242 doesn’t grant the so called „right of return“ to all descendants of Palestinians for example.
There were numerous rejections of peace deals by Palestinians and Arabs. Peel commission, UN Portion Plan of 1948, Khartoum resolution, Camp David, Taba, and others.
Yes, Arafat accepted Oslo. It was his big comeback from exile in Tunis snd irrelevance.
The Oslo accords were the only time something positive was achieved for Palestinians. Yes, they were limited, but also only meant to provide a transition for a few years.
The reasons Arafat and later Abbas didn’t agree to one of the deals offered over the years were fear of losing power and waiting for a better offer down the line. The better offer came, but internal Palestinian political opposition (Hamas) grew stronger.
The outcome was an ever worsening condition for Palestinians in many ways. Being uncompromising has cost them dearly.
Israel should end the occupation of the West Bank and settlements. However they have legitimate security interests. Israel needs a neighbor that agrees to peace and non aggression. Leaving unilaterally hasn’t worked in Gaza. At the moment Israelis don‘t see a chance for this. October 7th has diminished the small peace camp further.
Palestinian political leadership has been deeply divided for decades now. There’s no good vision, only eternal violent struggle and uncompromising demands. You have to understand that for many Palestinians „the occupation“ means all of Israel, not just West Bank and Gaza. This is a fight they have been losing for 100 years and will continue to do so. Coexistence is the only way forward.
More Palestinians have died in Gaza, than all deaths combined (including Israel‘s) over the last 100 years before. Gaza had an operational international airport with construction of a harbor underway, was ruled by Palestinians, no IDF presence in the late 1990s. Arafat decided to throw all that away when he launched the second intifada. Just because he wasn’t able to compromise and sell that to his people.
The comparison to Ukraine and Zelenskyy is weak because the situation is so different. Ukraine hasn’t lost the war yet, but is holding on. For how many years that’s worth doing is a good question.
mrdown@lemmy.world 6 days ago
UN General Assembly Resolution 194 give Palestinians that right . Funny how Palestinian right of return is your problem rather than Israel Law of return which allow any Jewish person, their children, grandchildren, and spouses to move to Israel and become citizens and even to occupied land.
Not a single one granted all right international laws give them. East Jerusalem, all of the west bank and gaza are considered Palestinians , the right to have an army to defend itself and the full sovereignty of the part. Arafat refused for that reason not the bullshit you are saying
They don’t the end of occupation is unconditional. Israel as the settler colonial power and military superiority do not need any security guarantees. It is Palestinians who should have the right to security guarantees
Every single death in Gaza is israel responsibility as the settler colonial power . It is some twisted logic that israel can destroy that Airport just because of the second intifada which also started because of Israel refusing to give all Palestinians right back under international law . The biggest victims of the second intifada is again Palestinians . Israel used human shield during the second intifada and deliberately killed innocent civilians.
Israel has severe restrictions seven in the 90’s on Gaza
Your logic is weak and scummy. Ukraine is the occupied , Palestinians is the occupied. Russia is the settler colonial power , israel is the settler colonial power . It is exactly the same goddamn thing. Even Israel and Russia rhetoric are the same bullshit : the security excuse while continuing building colonies in the west bank and Crimea, the idea that Ukrainians and Palestinians distinct identity do not exists etc
When someone lose the war international laws do not grant sovereignty over those land to the winner even if the loser started it and international laws grant right to resistance to the occupied and by resistance I do not mean killing innocent civilians unlike you who use excuses to justify Palestinians mass murder , genocide and settler colonialism