Comment on How to turn off Gemini in Gmail — and why you should | Proton

gravitas@pie.gravitywell.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  but i guess thats why I don’t work in marketing

  Yeah, I guess it is, because this article works in Proton’s favor on multiple levels:

  • Plenty of Proton users have switched over from Gmail and still have their old account and still, even with forwarding, occasionally need to use those old addresses.
  • People who search for a guide who’ve never or rarely heard of Proton might end up on their site and read a guide that lambasts Google’s usage of AI.
  • Meanwhile, Proton’s alternative product is being advertised everywhere on the page outside the guide and even is advertised within it.
  • These guides are going to exist anyway (many, in fact). You’re acting like this is some extremely niche thing users might want to do. Having your own guide but poisoned with your marketing when you’re the underdog is a sound idea.
  • This gives a benevolent image of “Good Guy Proton” who just wants to keep people’s data private regardless of business – and a “Bad Guy Google” image because it’s apparently so dire that their competition has to do this.

  You’re so smarmy about this but just come off as a complete dipshit who gave this two seconds of thought.

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  • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You had such excellent points all up until the unnecessary ad hominem at the end there. No need for name calling when you’ve already won.

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    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Before I address the substance: that’s not what an ad hominem is in the context of an argument. I’d already 100% finished attacking the substance of their argument. An ad hominem would be if I fallaciously appealed to a personal characteristic (real or otherwise) to attack an argument of theirs. “You’re wrong because you’re a dipshit”.

      Anyway: man, I dunno. It’s 2026, and I’ve gotten really fucking sick of being asymmetrically bound by etiquette when Brandolini’s law and the Dunning–Kruger effect are being stretched to their limits by insufferable, insolent shitheads who’ve unburdened thenselves of critical thinking and assume having a platform to the entire world makes them qualified to say anything about everything (I can fall into this trap too, but holy shit sometimes).

      I was still more polite than they were, still exercised more critical thought than they did, and still addressed the substance, and that’s fine enough by me not to tone police myself.

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      • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Alright, my bad, good ackshually. 👍 Let’s refer to it as name-calling.

        So like, calling someone a dipshit just because you’ve run into so many people that annoy you… I dunno. If it was the same person that annoyed you over and over again, I’d get it, but, this is your first interaction with this person, right? You feel me?

        🤷‍♂️ You have the right to call anyone you want a dipshit, of course, I just would like us to have civil discourse here. Everyone benefits from that, I believe. Plus, I think we’re all mostly on the same side regarding this matter. I don’t feel like this is a every polarizing issue here. 😁 Google is the enemy here, let’s not infight.

        A person is also much more susceptible and inclined to listen without being called names. 😉

        Have a good day today, buddy!

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      • Cybersteel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s fellatiously idiot. So much for being smahter huh duuuuuuuuuh…

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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They probably should have given it two seconds of thought before sending it.

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      • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mean, it’s just one person’s idea of how they think things will plan out vs another’s. No need for name-calling. 👍

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  • gravitas@pie.gravitywell.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The post is just an ad disguised as a guide and absolutely pointless. You know what else will show people how to disable gemini, googles own ai based search.

    ImageSorry if my aversion to advertising comes off as smarmy, im tired of seeing companies go from focusing on providing one good service like email and trying to become the next one service fits all replacement for google. Instead of doing one thing extremely well it becomes a race to do as many things as they can and get people to replace one monolith with their own. 

    Proton is the most recent to make this shift and its obvious they want to be like google but with “privacy” as a gimmic because its only private until they get a government order telling them to do something to unmask a user or monitor an email. 

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    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The post is just an ad disguised as a guide

      Jack Nicholson nodding GIF

      That said:

      its obvious they want to be like google but with “privacy” as a gimmic because its only private until they get a government order telling them to do something to unmask a user or monitor an email.

      Besides the fact that Proton is based in Switzerland where government warrants aren’t issued willy-nilly, please learn how the mathematics behind encryption works – or, if not, at least trust that it does. For emails that are sent E2EE, Proton can only have garbled data that requires a key they don’t have.

      You’re just constantly talking out your ass, and I have no idea why; it’s so unearned. Like I’m not going to debate you on whether ads or corporations are good because a) I broadly agree and b) that’s just, like, our opinions, man, but then you just say shit that’s so demonstrably untrue that all I can think is: “I fucking hate what this decade has done to people.”

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      • gravitas@pie.gravitywell.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Besides the fact that Proton is based in Switzerland where government warrants aren’t issued willy-nilly, please learn how the mathematics behind encryption works – or, if not, at least trust that it does. For emails that are sent E2EE, Proton can only have garbled data that requires a key they don’t have.

        Email is not end to end encrypted and this is the first of protons many misleading claims. Best case the contents is encrypted but not info like recipents or senderz IP. Leading to less knowledgeable activists not understanding that using protons vpn and their email together can actually lead to users giving proton more then enough info for law enforcement to track someo e down.

        Proton doesnt even hide this if you look at their reports they comply with court orders regularly. In theory proton could also back door any of their users keys since everything is done on the fly in the browser and proton controls all of the code.  (But im sure we can trust that proton will only comply if the targeted user is a criminal) 

        People who actually care about encryption already had a solution long before proton, called PGP and thats yet to be broken. Why other then vendor lock in would you encourage people to use anything else? (this is a criticism i have of tuta also)

        Also just fyi proton moved out of Switzerland last year for guess what… Legal reasons! 

        Glad to hear you agree with me and dont want to debate because literally none of what ive said is speculative. 

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