Comment on Bluesky just verified ICE

• photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The nature of FOSS allows anyone to use free software like Lemmy and Mastodon. ICE could therefore join by making their own instance or joining a friendly one but it’d be defederated by most others.

  The great thing about fediverse is that everyone gets a voice and we can choose who to listen to.

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  • balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Truth Social is running Mastodon under the hood. But nobody considers it a part of the fediverse, because even if it had federation turned on it would instantly be defederated by 99% of instances.

    I’m sure there are nazi lemmy instances out there, but they are all defederated from the lemmyverse. This is the correct approach, decentralized platforms are somehow doing a better job at this then the de-facto centralized bsky.

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    • hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As is GAB

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• LordXDnl@literature.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I wonder if that is acutally better though

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  • balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is a lot better. If you let Nazis join your platform, your platform is now a Nazi bar. Ban them, don’t let them spread their propaganda.

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    • iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They still can’t post shit against the general instance rules. So they’d have to be very careful of get the nuisance of getting their posts constantly removed, and eventually banned. No need to make individual distinctions when the general rules already work.

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      • balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nazis are quite good at bending or evading rules to further their agenda. They will push the boundaries of what’s acceptable by using creative allegories or dogwhistles. Moderators are supposed to moderate assuming goodwill from participants, this should not be the case here because ICE is not operating in good faith. Me thinks a job ad to join the modern Gestapo (which is already in ICE’s profile) should be grounds for a ban.

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• Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t ban anyone or any instance in my own instance, so no they cannot be “parammanned” from Lemmy. That’s not how it works and why i like Lemmy and its principles.

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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Find out how long your Lemmy instance stays federated with the rest of the big instances once you start hosting Nazis

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    • Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You don’t get it: I am and will remain the only user of my instance…

      Do you even now how Lemmy works? Did I say I was going to let ICE people create users on my instance? I only said I don’t defederate any instance.

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      • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you turned off registration then you are not allowing ICE on your platform so problem solved?

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Might depend what instance. They wouldn’t try to verify on db0 because yes, they would be banned instantly with prejudice. They would probably just hop on Lemmy.world or something.

  Furthermore, it would be better if the US Government just put up their own instance. Let each instance decide whether or not to federate with them, and let users decide if they want to follow them or not.

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• hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Probbly not at the mgtow Lemmy instance.

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