Benn Jordan made an AI model to detect generated music but I thought he wanted to build his own platform…?
Comment on Bandcamp bans purely AI-generated music from its platform
nil@piefed.ca 5 days ago
That’s nice. But I wonder how they detect them.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Tja@programming.dev 5 days ago
Using AI to detect AI? Someone’s head is going to explode.
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Exactly my thoughts. Tho I think that purely AI generated music would be somewhat easy to detect? As in, apart from original chord progressions with AI lyrics or vice versa
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 5 days ago
There are usually some tells. For AI generated music (AIGM for short) the cover “art” is also AI generated. The vocals/style are different between tracks. Another method that I think was recently made obsolete was that if you opened the track in audacity it looked weird compared to regular music when you looked at the spectrograms because AIGM added some weird unnecessary noise to the music. AIGM “artists” usually don’t have any social media presence, they don’t really exist outside of the internet. No shows/interviews etc. Is it a lot of effort to find out whether something is AIGM? Maybe. Is it worth it? Yes, I don’t want to give money to people who desecrate the art or music.
Tja@programming.dev 5 days ago
So you’re saying a milli vanilli would be basically impossible to detect.
Besides, who cares? Isn’t the purpose to enjoy the music? Whether some uses a capella, instruments, electric instruments, autotune, vocaloid or AI… if you like the music, listen to the music. It’s ultimately created by a human using tools.
pyre@lemmy.world 5 days ago
not the same thing. AIGM is by definitions not created by humans.
if i tell you to create a song about a recent breakup i got through, gave you some notes about rhythm and maybe what kind of feel i would like it to have, and then you went ahead and composed the whole song, played all the instruments, provided the vocals, did the mixing and editing and gave me the result, do you think it’s fair to say i made the song?
Tja@programming.dev 4 days ago
Same as vocaloid. Or autotune. How far do we go?
Besides, again, who cares. If you like the music, enjoy it, if not, pass.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
It’s exploitative trash occupying space that belongs to real artists who actually create real social value.
Tja@programming.dev 4 days ago
I disagree on all counts.
It’s not exploitative, it doesn’t exploit anyone.
It’s not trash, and if it were you wouldn’t need to regulate it because people would reject it on the merits.
The space belongs to whoever wants to create art, with whatever tools they want to do it. Gatekeeping and true Scotsman arguments are really grasping.
I don’t know what “social value” is created. A nurse or a fireman create social value. You won’t see them worrying about AI. If AI could put out fires they would definitely be interested.
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I think you might misunderstood what Bandcamp is aiming for here. They’re explicitly trying to still allow it when humans are using it (responsibly) as tools. This is essentially a ban on AI where no human is involved (or not involved enough), where the music produced is focused on quantity over quality (slop). That’s a fine and nuanced distinction for a music distribution platform in my opinion.
Tja@programming.dev 4 days ago
Ok, if this is just a spam prevention I think it’s fine. Obviously I didn’t read the article (as tradition mandates).
kayohtie@pawb.social 5 days ago
If AIGM was like VSTs or vocaloids that’d be one thing. But it’s more like imitation of sounds, synthesizing song chunks instead of instruments and voices themselves.
The best way to think of it is something creating an audio file solely by using the Photoshop clone stamp tool across millions of source files.
Tja@programming.dev 4 days ago
That’s not how transformer neural networks work…
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
You suck
Tja@programming.dev 5 days ago
Well, maybe.