Your argument is Russia must invade Ukraine because Ukraine would join an organization to protect them from Russia. This is the fault of the US.
That’s a nonsensical take so you get a nonsensical response
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bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 days agoif you treat events of less than 2 decades old as ancient history you’re bound to be clueless of the things happening around you 👍
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 days ago
My argument is that the US did meddle and is a reason the war started, don’t put words in my mouth.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Not a single word was put in your mouth. Your arguement was taken to its conclusion
You fail to link “us meddling” to justification for a war. Or more accurately an invasion of a sovereign nation.
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 days ago
You fail to link “us meddling” to justification for a war.
That’s where you drifted, the point is that the US has been involved since the start, i am not trying to justify neither side actions, though im clearly biased towards Russia but that’s for another day. The US geopolitical games using Ukraine as a pawn directly led to Russia’s invasion, it’s really not that hard to see.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
You fail to link “us meddling” to justification for a war. Or more accurately an invasion of a sovereign nation.
A bunch of armed men seized parliament and established a new government which banned opposition parties. Another bunch of armed men seized local government buildings and declared independence, after which they requested Russia send troops to come to their aid. Each side claims the other was foreign-backed while theirs was a legitimate expression of popular will.
Whether Russia invaded or responded to a request for aid depends on the legitimacy of the separatists and of the central government. When France sent troops to the British colonies in America, we don’t generally call that an invasion.
If the US meddled in overthrowing Ukraine’s previous government and picking out the new one (and there’s some evidence of that) then it calls into question whether the central government has more legitimacy than the separatists, and whether they really had the right to send tanks in to suppress the separatist rebellion.
zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 2 days ago
You have a complete lack of reading comprehension, and are clearly twisting what was said to make a point that wasn’t even claimed.
You reek of desperation.
stink@lemmygrad.ml 2 days ago
Libs aren’t worth arguing with, they believe whatever is convenient to them. They do not know the countless meetings Putin had with Bush, Boris Johnson, and Biden. They know nothing about NATO involvement in the maidan coupe, just vibes-based analysis or repeating propaganda from oligarch owned media.