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That a datacenter causes less environmental impact than a chemical plant? I have a lot of reasons to believe that.

The primary one being that the primary waste product for datacenters is water vapor while this chemical plant used extracted bromine from seawater using chlorine oxidation and produced a huge amount of chemical waste including water contaminated by chlorine and bromine.

In a disaster, a damaged datacenter will turn off while a damaged chemical plant will leak toxic and deadly chemicals into the local area.

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XLE@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The air quality in Tennessee would disagree with you about datacenter waste products…

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- FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Well, tell it that if it could post here it could explain it’s position.
  
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  - a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Hi, I’m smog, from down in good ol’ Memphis TN. If like to share with you some exciting developments!
    
    First, Elon was gracious enough to put my data center in the backyards of black people. You know, because white people don’t want their air and water to get wrecked nor their power bills to shoot up exponentially because we’re stealing it all up. It just makes good business sense to target people who are already suffering.
    
    Want me to do you one even more funny? The lack of power is a real problem because these centers are so unbelievably insatiable. But did Musk get upset? No! He’s just did what any brilliant rich person would do! He installed the most incredible giant gas turbines without consulting anyone first!
    
    And water? Not a problem! Modern models only take hundreds of thousands of gallons to train and operate. Good thing there aren’t any scarcity issues!
    
    Yup, I’m here all warm and cozy raising an entire city district’s (did I mention minorities?!) smog levels by about 50%! And, man, the sublime noise pollution!
    
    There is literally no one to stop is because any problems encountered can be alleviated immediately by decisions that poison the locals!
    
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    FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Ok, so let’s go over this.
    
    The topic is this datacenter’s waste products vs chemical plant waste products.
    
    First, Elon was gracious enough to put my data center in the backyards of black people. You know, because white people don’t want their air and water to get wrecked nor their power bills to shoot up exponentially because we’re stealing it all up. It just makes good business sense to target people who are already suffering. It just makes good business sense to target people who are already suffering.
    
    This is a complaint about location, not about waste products.
    
    The datacenter in the OP is in North Wales, UK where there are a lot of white people.
    
    White people are connected to the same power grid as black people, the cost of power isn’t a racial thing.
    
    Want me to do you one even more funny? The lack of power is a real problem because these centers are so unbelievably insatiable. But did Musk get upset? No! He’s just did what any brilliant rich person would do! He installed the most incredible giant gas turbines without consulting anyone first!
    
    Yeah, it sounds like Elon Musk is an asshole who doesn’t make plans and just throws shit up wherever, regardless of the ability of the location to support it. Unless he’s a datacenter that is also not relevent.
    
    The datacenter in the OP is in North Wales and not owned by Elon Musck. It is connected to grid power, not gas turbines. In North Wales, the energy production infrastructure is 50% renewables.
    
    And water? Not a problem! Modern models only take hundreds of thousands of gallons to train and operate. Good thing there aren’t any scarcity issues!
    
    If you notice water at the upper right of the picture, that is the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlantic Ocean is not currently experiencing water scarcity.
    
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    You also did not explain how any of those locations would be improved by replacing the datacenter with a chemical plant… which is the entire proposition that this conversation was based on.
    
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