Comment on I’m not saying that I agree with right- or center-wing views, and I do condemn transphobia. However, do you think there should be a distinction between critiquing beliefs held by transgender people, and engaging in transphobia?

• Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I guess a third position is then that “gender is meaningless, but just play along”.

  Thrice you’ve asserted gender as meaningless. Twice I’ve shown you it isn’t.

  A house isn’t just a building. It’s society that gives the building meaning and power. Turning the construction of brick and glass into a “house”. Society gives the construction “House” meaning, it gives it power, it gives it protection. Just because without society all that meaning falls away, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have meaning at all. It has the meaning society is currently giving it. Now thrice I’ve shown you it isn’t meaningless.

  Abolishing the idea of gender entirely seems more rational

  Perhaps. It’s probably a good idea to try. If nothing else we can stop using gender to oppress people.

  It might turn out that there is a “man” chemical/gene expression/brain structure. All I can tell you is that I am a man. Where my “Manness” comes from be it societal construction, or some biological function I don’t know. I’m comfortable being a man, I’m comfortable being labeled a man, I’m not forced to confront it.

  I never said the trans experience was attractive.

  I didn’t say you did. I said you said people want to be trans.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I didn’t assert that gender was meaningless. I asserted that from natural reasoning, either it’s meaningless or a biological binary fact. I am criticising people who are both claiming gender is meaningless but also strongly argue for the likes of neopronouns, etc. If gender is non-binary then that idea of a non-binary is essentially a modern concept that’s popped up in the past decades, rather than something you can argue is either a biological binary from the beginning of man or an oppressive social structure built upon sex.

    What is it that you think makes it attractive to them? The meds? The surgery? The bigotry they face? The gender dysphoria? Is it the chosen family because many of them were disowned by their biological one? The shorter life spans? The increased chance of having violence visited upon them? They go through these things because not doing so would be worse for them personally.

    Same thing that makes rationing, hiding in air raid shelters, having men in you and your friends family sent home in boxes, or terrorist attacks, constantly looking behind you, getting searched, etc.

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