Comment on If libertarian socialists are on the left and anarcho-capitalists are on the right what ideology is in the middle?

dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• AfterNova@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Would the capitalism we currently have be the same in anarcho-capitalism? Corporations wouldn’t exist without government. Legal tender laws would not exist.

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  • fl1p@piefed.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Capitalism is inherently incompatible with statelessness. You need some kind of police or military force to enforce private property and contracts. In anarcho-capitalism, that force doesn’t disappear. Those with more money would be able to buy more protection, better courts, and stronger enforcement, they would increasingly turn wealth directly into power.

    What we understand as a corporation today wouldn’t vanish without the state; it would reappear as large, hierarchical firms held together by contracts, private security, and internal command structures. In practice, these would look less like free associations and more like dictatorial private governments, exercising control over workers and communities without even minimal public accountability.

    Removing legal tender laws or corporate charters doesn’t eliminate capitalism’s core dynamics: private ownership of productive resources, wage labor, and profit extraction. Anarcho-capitalism keeps those intact while stripping away any collective checks on them. From an anarchist anti-capitalist perspective, that’s not anarchism, thats straight up the replacement of public authority with unaccountable private power.

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    • AfterNova@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How do enforce a lack of private property without a state? How do you prevent a capitalist system from sprouting up in socialism without a state?

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      • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Same way animals do.

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  • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    depends on which anarcho capitalist you are talking to. I know many former ancaps were free marketeers before going more socialist routes like market anarchism and mutualism. Think like Kevin Carson, a former bleeding heart libertarian, now probably a mutualist.

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    • AfterNova@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Capitalism would be completely different under anarcho-capitalism. I think ancaps are for using dispute resolution organizations to resolve conflicts and for a polycentric law system. Legit cryptocurrencies and legit DeFi could work well in an anarchistic society as a decentralized currency system.

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      • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        There are no real core ancap theories. Unlike leftists which you can 9 times out of 10 just start with the observations of marx and go from there without necessarily supporting his solutions, ancaps don’t have a core theory they can revolve around which is why often they just stick with the libertarian “non aggression principle” and go from there.

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