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Comment on Room temperature IQ is a far bigger insult in Europe than America.

PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

It seems to me like if you got 25, you were able to answer some questions at all, some of which you actually got correct

So not vegetative, I don’t think.

But I suppose I’m not exactly an expert on how the tests are administered, so maybe just showing up is enough to get 25.

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JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
IQ tests don’t define IQ, they’re a tool to measure IQ. Standard tests have a “floor” (say 70 or 50) below which they don’t give an accurate number, just a general “below the floor” indication. Similarly, they would have a ceiling.

A professionally administered test can maybe identify a more specific IQ at low levels, and would be used for someone who maybe can’t function at the level of taking a standard test.

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- PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I mean that if you participated in a test at all, even if your result wasn’t accurate, then you’re not vegetative, even if you required assistance.
  
  I know that the test score isn’t your IQ, because the IQ is relative to the scores of the other participants.
  But surely to score at all you need to be responsive, even if you need a special test with special assistance. So surely an IQ of 25 couldn’t be vegetative? Although I truly have no idea how such an IQ would present itself.
  
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  - JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    They didn’t say vegetative. They said “pretty much a vegetable” fun is a more colloquial term.
    
    From paulriddfoundation.org/lessons/iq-table/#%3A~%3At….
    
    People with a severe learning disability or profound and multiple learning disability (PMLD) will need more care and support with areas such as mobility, care and communication.
    
    And from Wikipedia:
    
    People with Severe ID (IQ 20–34), accounting for 3.5% of persons with ID, or Profound ID (IQ 19 or below), accounting for 1.5% of people with ID, need more intensive support and supervision for their entire lives. They may learn some [activities of daily living], but an intellectual disability is considered severe or profound when individuals are unable to independently care for themselves without ongoing significant assistance from a caregiver throughout adulthood.
    
    I think that could qualify as “pretty much a vegetable”, if a bit crass.
    
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    PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    It kinda depends on what kinds of daily activity they can learn and what the nature of the support is.
    
    Like, reading the description, I’m thinking of elderly dementia patients, and I wouldn’t call them “pretty much vegetables”, even if they need very intensive assistance.
    
    But I suppose “pretty much” can cover a very wide range for different people.
    
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