Yup, and I was almost one of them. Can take a while to deprogram oneself. It literally took me being exposed to the wide world out of their little microcosim of understanding and rhetoric to see they were putting 2+2=9. Add in the neo-liberals who cozy up with them when anyone with a hint of progressivism gets popular or change is on the horizon. Then saying stuff like “they can still learn and understand.”