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Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I really don’t like this dangerous trend of condemning actions of people based on wether we agree with them or disagree with them.

Because this behavior is at the base for intolerance and strong polarization.

First of all, I want to judge your actions for what they are, not for what your political views are. So Lemmy is good and I like that full stop. There will be better alternatives (maybe already are) and I will judge them without agreeing with their creators political views.

Second, I prefer to discuss and interact with people who have different views and political ideas than me, because that’s where I grow my ideas and enforce or dispute them. Enough of the echo chamber where the “algorithm” already places us in every social fucking media.

Kids, it’s by enforcing and supporting even the ideas contrary to yours that you grow up. Yes this is annoying and can cause serious brain engagement, but yeah, that’s how we progress.

Even fascists or communist ideas. Zionist or pro-Palestine, pro gender or anti woke, if we start judging peoples actions only for their ideas we become fascists.

I was also tought that what you do is more significant than what you say. Judge by actions, not words.

So I don’t dislike technology because the guy behind it is a fascist or a communist.

Said so, if anybody thinks that can do a better Lemmy by forking it, go ahead and let me judged by the actions.

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MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This is the “radical centrist” position, and it’s serves the fascist power structure.

None of the things you’re comparing to each other are equal or opposite. You’re functionally saying “I consider good and evil to be equal, I tolerate intolerance”.

I’m not sure if you stand behind your examples, because you didn’t really say anything.

For starters…if you wanted to address the topic you would have compared apples to apples ie fascists to tankies. You can’t casually imply fascists and communists are two ends of a spectrum and both have interesting points to make, that’s absurd: the former are evil, and the latter are dreamers. The rest of your examples are similar.

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- Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Maybe the fact I am not a native speaker affect how my words are understood.
  
  Actually yes fascist and communist are two ends of the spectrum, I have no idea what tankies means, it seems to be some slang or jargon.
  
  But no, why would using lemmy means people from Lemmy.ml controlling what we read? That’s totally bonkers.
  
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  - MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    No, fascism and communism aren’t “opposites”…that’s the fascist framing…and that’s my point. It’s extreme centrism and “both sidesing” to claim they are. They’re only opposites if you preface your argument with good v evil…and you didn’t. Fascism is a dangerous system that’s arguably ever-present and destroys humanity….while communism is a highly ideological philosophy that’s never existed. Don’t be confused when highly socialist and authoritarian countries are labelled as communist…they’re no more communist than the DRC was a democracy or a republic.
    
    Tankie is the word you’re looking for: authoritarian communism…and it’s important you use the proper word, because authoritarianism is antithetical to communism. If you didn’t know what the word meant…why did you even comment?
    
    The topic was a conversation about whether or not certain Tankies have an outsized influence on Lemmy, and if that’s bad. The consensus seems to be that they can’t.
    
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onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
OK, let’s say somebody who hates you to the core and wants to see you dead made software you found great. All they said was stuff like “I think your kind deserves to be shot”, “your kind are subhuman”, “they hung your kind and I see nothing wrong with that”.

Would you use their software? Would you enjoy being part of the numbers that they use to validate getting money, maybe even power? Would you publicly promote their software? Would you get others to use it? Would you even donate to them? Would you get others to donate to them?

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- Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  How does the Lemmy creators actually personally benefit from the fact I run my own Lemmy instance?
  
  I do not donate to them, but how is the technology created be them evil if it fits my concept of decentralized web?
  
  Do they get money because I run my instance o use another one not under their control? O doubt it
  
  I am actually using their tech against themselves, so what?
  
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Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This is some of the most pretentious, ostentatious posturing I’ve read on this topic.

You really think people can’t see through this?

You don’t see the irony in doing the “sophomoric debate club” thing while calling those that disagree with you “Kids”.

“Dangerous trends”, “base of intolerance” or the pompous drivel about “grow my ideas and enforce and dispute them” are almost comical in their tone.

The world doesn’t work that way. This motherfucking internet forum.

Or is this a satire of American style polemics and I got played? 🤣

If it’s satire, then good play.

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- Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I am not american and frankly find American style polemics quite hard to understand. Mind me I have quite a few american good friends, and I lived in the USA for a few years too, nothing against USA itself.
  
  But yes Tolerance is at the base of civil life and that’s true even with intolerant people.
  
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  - Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I don’t find generic phrases such as “tolerance is at the base of civil life” to be unconvincing, especially when parroted in such an aggressively self-aggrandizing manner.
    
    You either don’t have much life experience (and lack intellectual curiosity) or you’re just grandstanding online.
    
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jonnylyy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I totally support what you said. If I don’t support someone financially by using his or her product I don’t see a big issue. And when reading through Lemmy comments for any given open source project there is at least one comment saying the mantainer said or did something or even a contributer is an asshole or has the wrong political view and therefore nobody should use the Programm. As long as the maintainer try’s to make something that more or less follows my views for a open and decentralized web I’m fine. If I think about donating on the other hand I would check if the morals are on the same line

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- Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  And you seems to be from a non US instance, it might be related to the fact you seems to be the only agreeing with me.
  
  But yes, at the end the concept it the technology should not be judged by the political views of the creator.
  
  I also agree with not supporting it finacially if that money goes where you don’t like.
  
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