Thanks. We’ll need to dig to figure out what’s going on with the apparent disparity
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BrikoX@lemmy.zip 14 hours agoData is from United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division, visual pyramids are from populationpyramids.org.
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 14 hours ago
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 13 hours ago
Okay, I’ve had time to parse it a little.
Interestingly, the NYT chart and the pyramids website use the same data source!
It looks like you’re right that the two countries share the same same demographic “shape”. The culprit is Gorbachev and the catastrophic dissolution of the USSR which caused birthrates to plummet in all former Soviet states, so it makes sense that they would suffer similar fates.
It also looks like the war did, in fact, worsen the problem for Ukraine, which has a ~50% drop among fighting-aged men from 2021 to 2023 😦. Somehow they gained some people in 2024. I don’t understand how that’s possible TBH. Repatriations?
NYT charts for 2021, 2023, & 2024
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We would need it to compare it to the changes in Russia’s population over the same period to have the full picture. I’m going to go get dinner so maybe another comrade can help me out. I would expect a similar dynamic, but less pronounced due to the 4x population difference.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
I only skimmed the report, but there is research on this.
Also, it will probably spike again if US goes through their plan to deport Ukrainian refugees.
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 hours ago
Good find; thanks! So it is repatriations.
I hope the US doesn’t do that, because forcing people into a war zone against their will would be even more cruel than the typical deportations already are.
This line made me laugh, because the author obviously started with the FULL-SCALE INVASION line that the Anglo media has been uniformly blasting for years, but—because academic work is less propagandistic than the news—they paused to give it some thought and correctly realized that there is no way to know or define what a truly “full-scale” conflict is, so they removed the absolute language.