Do these graphs cite a source? I can’t make any out, but maybe it’s a text color thing.
The chart I shared is from the NYT, which is not known for a pro-Russian bias.
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BrikoX@lemmy.zip 20 hours agoBoth countries are in the same position demographically. Their pyramids looks almost identical.
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 19 hours ago
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Data is from United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division, visual pyramids are from populationpyramids.org.
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 17 hours ago
Okay, I’ve had time to parse it a little.
Interestingly, the NYT chart and the pyramids website use the same data source!
It looks like you’re right that the two countries share the same same demographic “shape”. The culprit is Gorbachev and the catastrophic dissolution of the USSR which caused birthrates to plummet in all former Soviet states, so it makes sense that they would suffer similar fates.
It also looks like the war did, in fact, worsen the problem for Ukraine, which has a ~50% drop among fighting-aged men from 2021 to 2023 😦. Somehow they gained some people in 2024. I don’t understand how that’s possible TBH. Repatriations?
We would need it to compare it to the changes in Russia’s population over the same period to have the full picture. I’m going to go get dinner so maybe another comrade can help me out. I would expect a similar dynamic, but less pronounced due to the 4x population difference.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
I only skimmed the report, but there is research on this.
Also, it will probably spike again if US goes through their plan to deport Ukrainian refugees.
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 18 hours ago
Thanks. We’ll need to dig to figure out what’s going on with the apparent disparity
FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 20 hours ago
Key difference is a factor of 4.