Comment on Lack of understanding about the Voice 'alarming' as referendum approaches, filmmaker says
Affidavit@aussie.zone 1 year ago
It’s astounding to me that every single one of these ‘Yes’ campaign articles that I’ve been spammed with over the past few months is effectively saying, “We must educate these ignorant savages. They know not what they are doing.”
Do they not see the irony here? Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean they are ignorant, and assuming so is patronising at best.
Don’t get me wrong, between the ‘Yes’ camp and the ‘No’ camp, I am mostly in the ‘stop wasting taxpayer funds’ camp. It’s unfortunate that won’t be an option in the referendum.
unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Most of the arguments against the voice that I’ve seen here have been riddled with misinformation, lies and it sounds like they haven’t even read or understand the alteration so I don’t blame the yes campaign for having that sentiment. Claiming that the voice will be a waste of taxpayer’s money is a bit of a stretch though, if it’s too expensive the government can scale it back or just not even pay the members. If you’re claiming that having a referendum is a waste of money because they’re expensive then you might not appreciate the value of democracy
Affidavit@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Colour me impressed. I don’t think I could have written such a perfect example of why I hate engaging people in dialogue on this issue. I’ll leave you to your echo chamber. I’m sure you and all the other people who support a Voice will sway many people to your side with such convincing arguments.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Being offended is not an argument. Grow up and get a real one.
Affidavit@aussie.zone 1 year ago
My argument is that the people here rely on ad hominem attacks to ‘support’ their own arguments. Thanks for proving my point you rude twat.
unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 1 year ago
I’ve set out my reasoning and understanding for supporting the voice in other comments here. I was just giving you my observations from reading a lot of the arguments here. Some people would straight up call you a racist which I doubt you are, but you’ve only complained about the yes campaign and not actually given reasoning for your position.
Many people engage in these discussions, sometimes in bad faith without having read the alteration and only a letter from the LNP or whatever Andrew Bolt is saying about it. Perhaps you could give me examples of reasons against the voice I can’t dismiss based on the criteria you out up? At least I didn’t call you a racist as many would here.
I questioned your value of democracy because I gathered that you were calling the referendum itself a waste of taxpayer’s money. The AEC records the cost of referendums on their website, the 1999 referendum only cost $66M which is a small price to pay for the most powerful form of democracy our country can offer. Of course this one will cost more, but I doubt it will cost as much as the recent federal election.
Affidavit@aussie.zone 1 year ago
I honestly don’t know what the point is? Every single time someone makes an argument for the ‘No’ side, people accuse the person of ‘spreading misinformation’ and claim they are ‘factually incorrect’.
You mentioned your observations from reading other arguments. I had a brief look at your recent post history for an example of what you meant, and there was one that stood out to me.
Someone made a comment that the Voice would grant powers to a specific race in the Constitution and you loftily replied that you would not be deleting their post but their argument was both ‘wrong’ and ‘misinformation’.
it is not wrong and it is not misinformation, I believe it takes a wild interpretation of the wording to conclude special parliamentary representation is not power.
As an example, people (rightfully) get angered by the major parties throwing ‘conferences’ where corporations can pay for access to MPs. I doubt many people here would argue these corporations are not being benefited by attending these ‘conferences’.
Also, as an aside, while you did not remove that person’s post, even mentioning that was an option was not appropriate IMO. How can people have a civilised discussion if they must fear having their posts removed, or being banned from contributing, when a mod or admin disagree with them?