Yes, I’m aware that they are completely different species. If you read the sources that Stickyfingeritchybum (ew, btw) posted they’re talking about the toxicity of Isocupressic acid in cattle and sheep, this acid occurs in both Leyland Cypress and all parts of Ponderosa Pine. Therefore since natives ate Ponderosa Pine as a staple food (apparently the inner bark is sweet and was considered a dessert) we can conclude that Isocupressic acid is not toxic to humans. This acid is also quite high in common juniper which is what is used to brew Maltøl and Sahti and is the primary botanical in Gin. Additionally, the only reported toxic effect of this acid on cattle and sheep is inducing abortion; Pregnant people aren’t advised to be drinking alcoholic beverages to begin with so kind of a double moot point.
I appreciate people being concerned for my health, but seriously, I have actually researched this beyond just googling and finding an article that ONLY talks about this being toxic to cattle and sheep and makes no mention of human toxicity. I’ve been brewing and drinking beers with this tree for nearly 10 years with no ill effects. Farmhouse Maltøl and Sahti brewers have been putting Isocupressic acid (via juniper) into their beers for thousands of years.
we can conclude that Isocupressic acid is not toxic to humans.
Well, no. We can say we don’t know. The toxicity profile on various sites say we don’t know. Most likley because no one thought to do it.
hmdb.ca/metabolites/HMDB0253626
You are inferring its safe. Not the same thing as being safe. That’s your business. Enjoy your cattle morning after pill beer. Just don’t tell people it’s safe and “I did the research”.
Well since people have been eating it for millennia in juniper, and juniper is GRAS, I’m going to conclude that it’s not a concern, you can conclude otherwise if you want. I won’t ask you to drink the beer.
Did you know that hops are toxic to dogs? are you sure you still want to put them into your beer?
MuteDog@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yes, I’m aware that they are completely different species. If you read the sources that Stickyfingeritchybum (ew, btw) posted they’re talking about the toxicity of Isocupressic acid in cattle and sheep, this acid occurs in both Leyland Cypress and all parts of Ponderosa Pine. Therefore since natives ate Ponderosa Pine as a staple food (apparently the inner bark is sweet and was considered a dessert) we can conclude that Isocupressic acid is not toxic to humans. This acid is also quite high in common juniper which is what is used to brew Maltøl and Sahti and is the primary botanical in Gin. Additionally, the only reported toxic effect of this acid on cattle and sheep is inducing abortion; Pregnant people aren’t advised to be drinking alcoholic beverages to begin with so kind of a double moot point.
I appreciate people being concerned for my health, but seriously, I have actually researched this beyond just googling and finding an article that ONLY talks about this being toxic to cattle and sheep and makes no mention of human toxicity. I’ve been brewing and drinking beers with this tree for nearly 10 years with no ill effects. Farmhouse Maltøl and Sahti brewers have been putting Isocupressic acid (via juniper) into their beers for thousands of years.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
we can conclude that Isocupressic acid is not toxic to humans.
Well, no. We can say we don’t know. The toxicity profile on various sites say we don’t know. Most likley because no one thought to do it. hmdb.ca/metabolites/HMDB0253626
You are inferring its safe. Not the same thing as being safe. That’s your business. Enjoy your cattle morning after pill beer. Just don’t tell people it’s safe and “I did the research”.
MuteDog@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Well since people have been eating it for millennia in juniper, and juniper is GRAS, I’m going to conclude that it’s not a concern, you can conclude otherwise if you want. I won’t ask you to drink the beer.
Did you know that hops are toxic to dogs? are you sure you still want to put them into your beer?
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Reasonable points.
You should call it “Cows walk of shame” or “Moo’s Morning After” possibly Defetus.