Comment on RAM prices soar, but popular Windows 11 apps are using more RAM due to Electron, Web components
floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
If there’s any silver lining to this, perhaps we can get a renewed interest in efficient open-source software designed to work well on older hardware, and less e-waste.
If there’s a silver lining to this, fuck JavaScript, fuck JavaScript wrappers and fuck all people picked JavaScript for the programming language of anything cross-platform.
It’s unbelievable I would need 6 gbs of RAM to say a simple “hello” to my friends. It used to take 300kb on IRC.
that has very little to do with JavaScript though 🤷♂️
Maybe not Javascript as a language, but the framework it requires to get applications written with it running, which is a lot. And in a roundabout way, it kinda has a little to do with the language itself, as the reason electron got so popular in the first place is because it catered to web developers who either couldn’t be bothered or couldn’t figure out proper desktop app devlopment, so they went with the easy short-term path. And Javascript kinda is an easy language to pick up and write simple.projects in - now, maintaining more complex applications with it is another story.,.
It has less to do with JavaScript as most people tend to think IMO. JavaScript does not require Electron to exist, it’s rather the other way around. The fact that Electron ships a whole browser is the culprit and you could even argue that V8 is bloated as well, though I’m not sure how efficient it is built and how much size it takes. Browsers historically need to support so much legacy stuff which is another main factor for its size. I really hope for stuff like Tauri or Servo to gain traction.
Even Electron apps aren’t necessarily ram hoarders: Stretchly, which is a break reminder and thus needs to always run in the background, takes something like 20 or 40 MB of memory.
I’d love to see games do this because they are clearly not being optimized. Can’t wait to see that not happen.
Good thing, I’m happy with retro games and the occasional indie.
3/5 of the way through 100% Final Fantasy II. Figure by the time I catch up to modern final fantasy either hardware will be better again or people will optimize again. Either way I got time
US 2 or JP 2?
US 2 is so good, but the late game seeed to have a difficulty spike so I never finished it.
I’m doing the pixel remasters which I think are based more on original JP. I know some purists look down on them but I think overall they’re a solid version.
Why would you do that when you can pull 50 JavaScript libraries and wrap it in Electron?
That’ll be 800€ and all change you own.
“It sounds like you want low-end devices to be turned into thin clients for cloud-based operating systems. Do I have that right?”
Why spend time making better software when the end user can just buy better hardware!
That’s been the thinking for the last couple of decades at least. But it can’t continue if people can’t afford new hardware.
Hardware doesnt need to get more powerful either. If we actually harnessed it, we have what we need already.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Morgan Freeman: ”They couldn’t”
cenzorrll@piefed.ca 4 days ago
Open source developers are just like you and me. They’ll get fed up with the bullshit and start developing things they need with the resources they have, just like they’ve always done.
VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
It’s always been there, why is there so many great Open Source Software out there ? Even Linus started the linux kernel because he could not afford Unix.