Comment on Proton launches privacy-first alternative to Excel and Google Sheets

• underisk@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I genuinely tried to find the source for this but all I got from google were ads for vibe coding and proton’s own AI. So take this half-remembered anecdote with a grain of salt, I guess. Best i’ve got is this

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• ysjet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  lemmy.org/post/1309818

  People found AI config files in their public repos. When they were found, Proton deleted all discussion of it and then altered the repository history to pretend the config files were never there.

  Shady, scummy behavior. They’ve tried to do the same ‘delete everything and ignore it’ when their CEO publicly praised Trump and the Republican party, and then kept doubling down in reddit and mastodon comments until someone on the PR team wrested the account away from him and started mass-deleting all of it.

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m well aware of their CEO positions, but they have no impact on the security while using LLMs does. I understand people that stopped using Proton services because of any of their past actions, but until now nothing they did compromised the security of the products.

    Will be interesting to see what their next annual independent security audit will say.

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    • ysjet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, their security IS directly impacted by their support of a a fascist government. They’ve already happily gave over personal information of an account owner to authorities when asked- the security posture doesn’t matter when they choose to circumvent it.

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      • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Everyone should expect companies to give up any information they have because no CEO will go to prison for you, but they can’t give what they don’t have. If you know of any company that will go to prison for me, let me know.

        As far as the case of sharing an IP address, it was made under Swiss court order and IP logging was only enabled after the court order and for that specific account only. And Swiss law at the time required review under Swiss privacy law for order to be granted, which has very high bar to be granted. So I wouldn’t classify that as “happily”. The content itself was never shared since Proton doesn’t have access. Email is broken protocol

        Their marketing is shady as fuck, their foundation structure is a joke (CEO of the for profit entity has a voting majority) and they do hide like little chidren at any public pushback (like leaving Mastodon after the whole Trump/republicans debacle), but so far nobody raised any issues with their cryptographic security and they passed every single independent security audit.

        It would be fair to discourage people from using for any of the above bullshit, but security is not one of them and bullshit claims like that just hurt privacy advocacy and keeps people in the existing monopolies.

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  • bystander@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is this a trustworthy analysis? I wanted to understand what happened. I am confused after reading this a while back, but still seeing people actively saying he praised Trump. I do what to know exactly what happened in the end to make a judgement.

    medium.com/…/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-d…

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      lemmy.zip/post/30061526 lemmy.zip/post/30250238

      Decide for yourself. There are screenshots and web archives scattered across the comments.

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      • bystander@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks!

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    • ysjet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m so, so tired of seeing that fucking article by ‘ovenplayer’ over and over again. It’s not your fault, mind you, but damn do I wish that abomination would get erased from the internet.

      It’s incredibly biased, missing a ton of information, and just frankly outright lies to frame the whole thing as positively towards Proton as possible, and completely skips mentioning Proton’s attempted cleanup job. Even worse, it pretends to sound neutral while doing all that to try and gaslight people into thinking it’s actually a full journalistic dive into the issue.

      I’m like 90% sure it’s just Proton’s PR team creating an easy astroturf- an account that was made JUST to post that article, nothing else, created right at the same time as the Proton PR team started working on the whole issue?

      The only reason it’s only 90% instead of 100% is because there’s a lot of proton apologists who think Proton supporting this shit is ‘blown out of proportion’ because they have no idea what they’re talking about, but feel personally attacked because someone isn’t supporting ‘their team.’

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      • bystander@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I legitimately want to learn the proper timeline with no bias. Is there a good source out there? Because I am genuinely confused.

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