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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days agodigital neural networks seem like decent enough approximations of their biological counterparts to warrant caution
No they don’t. Digital networks don’t act in any way like a electro-chemical meat wad programmed by DNA.
Might as well call a helicopter a hummingbird and insist they could both lay eggs.
We cannot know who or what possesses consciousness.
That’s sophism. You’re functionally asserting that we can’t tell the difference between someone who is alive and someone who is dead
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I dont think we can currently prove that anyone other than ourselves are even conscious. As far as I know I’m the only one. The people around me look and act and appear conscious, but I’ll never know.
gedhrel@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Really? I know. So either you’re using that word wrong or your first principles are lacking.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Can you prove it to anyone?
gedhrel@lemmy.world 3 days ago
As long as they’re not missing a critical faculty, sure.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You have to define consciousness before you can prove it. I might argue that our definition of consciousness is fuzzy. But not so fuzzy that “a human is conscious and a rock is not” is up for serious debate.
You’re describing Philosophical Zombies. And the broad answer to the question of “How do I know I’m not just talking to a zombie?” boils down to “You have to treat others as you would expect to be treated and give them the benefit of the doubt.”
Mere ignorance is not evidence of a thing. And when you have an abundance of evidence to the contrary (these other individuals who behave and interact with me as I do, thus signaling all the indications of the consciousness I know I possess) defaulting to the negative assertion because you don’t feel convinced isn’t skeptical inquiry, its cynical denialism.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
My point was more “if we cant even prove that each other are sentient, how can we possibly prove that a computer cant be?”.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
If you can’t find ample evidence of human sentience then you either aren’t looking or are deliberately misreading the definition of the term.
If you can’t find ample evidence that computers aren’t sentient, same goes.
You can definitely put blinders on and set yourself up to be fooled, one way or another. But there’s a huge difference between “unassailable proof” and “ample convincing data”.