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ex_06@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

There are 3 big political cons that are missing in your list:

nuclear requires a looooooot of money(and time) so the owners would probably be private holdings, not only the state
nuclear safety requires something very near to 0 corruption
(maybe) in an democratic confederalism or a anarchosocialism society requires too big coordination

Said that, I never support the ''renewables are intermittent'' point... Right now they have this issue because they are in low number and there are stocking issue and it's mostly one source per place (like solar in sunny places and hydro in mountain places). We can have waaaaaayy more solar panels, wind turbines etc. Saying right now they are intermittent is just a biased point.

I agree with @sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net , anything practical would do. Right now it's late to have nuclear energy in a lot of places, so the discussion is even kinda pointless, we don't have 30years and mld of euros to build them before the climate really hits us. Even if we start now, we still need something else quicker to build and other ways to reduce the usage! (a lot of ''pro nuclear'' people think that we just need a lot of nuclear to then keep doing everything we do now cause clean energy = no emissions)

So ye, I think it's good to use nuclear and to not close the centrals that are already up, but using ''let's build more'' is not a practical plan right now. We are late :)

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zksmk@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

nuclear safety requires something very near to 0 corruption

Oh definitely, I'd never want my country to build a nuclear fission plant, due to how incompetent and corrupt both the system and mentality around doing these kind of things is around here. I'd be way too worried the thing would explode (despite all the safety measures) because somebody washed some money through the project, the funding got cut beyond safety limits or somebody simply got lazy and didn't do proper maintenance, alas. Ty, but no ty, at least for another half a century, we're not mature enough. I'm sure this applies to many poorer and smaller countries across the globe.

Fusion I'd feel safe with, but that's a dream within a dream.

Said that, I never support the ‘‘renewables are intermittent’’ point

I do wish we had better developed and more universal grid storage tech than just pumped hydro. A large/continental-sized grid is cool and all, but energy independence is still important in geopolitics unfortunately, and simply in practical terms in general too.

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- ex_06@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  
  I do wish we had better developed and more universal grid storage tech than just pumped hydro. A large/continental-sized grid is cool and all, but energy independence is still important in geopolitics unfortunately, and simply in practical terms in general too
  
  You are right, I was thinking more about central/west europe where something like this should be easily achievable
  
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