Comment on In a society that frowns upon using identity as a utility, why doesn't it ring any alarm bells when people say they're consequentialists and excuse things with that?

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PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

do you have any specific examples of this phenomenon?

Earlier this year, digital communities actually had to crack down on consequentialism because they were using it to support serial killers. I’m surprised someone in ours hasn’t seen how people view that.

Arguments against utilizing identity are typically argued in personal spaces. You may have heard of stories of family members who convert to a religion so that they can complain they’re being persecuted when someone speaks against them, only for that person to not follow through with it in other ways. My mom has a friend who is Jewish who comes to holiday dinners and takes home a ham, but you can’t even talk about the current wartime situation in you-know-where with this person without them burying you with ultra long responses about how you must be insensitive. My brother who was in prison also mentioned that a lot of the prisoners feign belonging to different minorities because people of those minorities get better prison food (a self-imposed rule on the officers). Before my aunt died, she would say her diabetes meant she should get to choose what restaurant to go to, but then you’d see the inside of her kitchen and see that it’s full of the worst cereals she could possibly be eating if she had diabetes (not an example I’d blame her for though since she died due to waiting in a car in the freezing cold which caused her accuchek to malfunction).

Once in a while, you see this in the media. Someone might say they have cardio issues because it attracts donations, but then you see them in amusement park pictures enjoying things that someone like that shouldn’t be enjoying. A politician might say they’re full-blooded indigenous to get more respect from people, only to take up offensive practices or end up doing something not typical of that group of people (e.g. drink large quantities of alcohol).

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