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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• DandomRude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I still think they have the same effect.

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  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They really don’t.

    Nationalism is much more jingoistic and dogmatic - unflinching and unquestioning loyalty to a flag (or regime).

    Patriotism is more along the lines of appreciating the positive aspects of one’s country, wanting to make the good parts materially better, and wanting to make the bad parts materially less bad. One can, for example, be a patriot, and simultaneously hate what one’s country is doing.

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    • DandomRude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Here’s an example of what I mean: Every ICE employee in the US will claim to be a patriot. I don’t think there’s much more to say about that.

      I’m from Germany myself, and I can assure you that every Nazi in the Third Reich also considered himself a patriot.

      Your distinction may be relevant in theory, but it is not in practice.

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      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Claiming you’re a patriot has no bearing on whether you are a patriot, or are simply confusing it with nationalism - either through stupidity or bad faith. ICEcubes are not patriots. They are the American Sturmabteilung.

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      • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        North Korea has “Democratic” in it’s name, but does that mean “Democracy = Bad”?

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      • atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        But they also considered themselves to be good people

        Are we supposed to redefine the wors good to mean bad?

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