You don’t own the stadium, and you don’t own the satellite. So they’re really not the same as a car, which you do (nominally) own.
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sqgl@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks agoIt is like having a grandstand at a football stadium which costs extra to use. Do you resent that?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
shiftymccool@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I resent that the cost to the car company to install seat warmers is the actual installation of the seat warmers. Running them costs ME money in electricity generated by gasoline I bought. It costs them nothing to run them but i have to pay a subscription to use them on top of paying to power them?
The football grandstand continues to cost the owners in maintenance and space that they own. You pay for the privilege of using something that is not yours. I bought my car, I shouldn’t have to continue to pay for the privilege of using something I already own since the equipment is already there and doesn’t require any interaction with a remote service that would make sense to charge for (navigation, satellite radio, etc…)
sqgl@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
OK I accept the analogies are not good equivalents.
It is not necessarily true that everyone has already paid for the seat warmer hardware. The car may cost the same as if it didn’t have the hardware installed.
The manufacturer may find it cheaper to just install it for everyone and wear the cost in the hope that enough people will pay for the warmer to be enabled.
Of course it is possible that everyone pays for the hardware anyhow but it is not necessarily the case.
pogmommy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
This is such a weird hill to die on for someone who claims to be pro-consumer
sqgl@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You make it shine like football team loyalty.
I am pro fairness, not pro-consumer. I don’t think the consumers are justified in their entitlement in this case.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
If you buy an object, you pay for all the components that come with that object. If they didn’t charge for all the components that’s on them. As others have said, heating elements don’t require any continued support from the manufacturer. It’s a button and some wires and a control module. Should they be charging for window defrosters too? There is literally 0 explanation for this that isn’t corporate greed.
athairmor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Of course it is possible that everyone pays for the hardware anyhow but it is not necessarily the case.
It is necessarily the case. No company incurs the cost of making something, delivers it and then just hopes that someone pays for it. You literally can’t do business that way.
mrductape@eviltoast.org 3 weeks ago
Right. Consoles can’t be sold at a loss and stores never sell things at a loss at a sale because they make it back with other products that are sold at the same time…
It is very possible that if not enough people buy the subscription they will be at a loss.
However, I understand it from a business standpoint.
Cars are usually good quality now. They will probably last 15 years or more. Which means manufacturers are their own competition now. Not to mention that China is making some pretty cheap and impressive cars too.
So how does a brand keep existing? Extracting more value out of the customers they have. And hope that this minor thing isn’t enough to make them buy a different car. Or hope other brands do the same thing so it doesn’t matter.
I think on expensive brand cars, the buyers usually can afford a subscription. Odds are they also have a strong preference for a brand so they are not very likely to switch.
So for a Mercedes, Audi, Bentley, BMW etc I understand why they think they can get away with it.
I just hate it with a passion and will never ever go with it unless I literally don’t have a choice. My car, I paid for it. Want me to pay extra to build an extra option? Fine, but it is a one time fee of the cost of building that option on the car. If it does not require anything that is a returning cost to the seller, I am not paying a returning fee.
Vote with your wallet and the bullshit will eventually disappear.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Of course you can do business that way. If the heating costs $x, and half the customers pay for it but $5x is charged then that is a profit.
The alternative would be to make two sets of cars (with and without heating). Or four sets of cars if another similar optional feature is shipped like this. Or 8 permutations if there are the features etc
It can certainly be cheaper to install them by default even if not all customers pay to enable them.
architect@thelemmy.club 3 weeks ago
I don’t see how you could possibly think it’s okay to sell something to someone while telling them oh but technically you didn’t buy everything inside it, that’s an extra fee.
Come on you can’t be so broken you can’t see a clear scam right in front of you.
It should be illegal and if any of our institutions had teeth it would be.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
It’s absolutely nothing like that, my dude. There’s no extra service being provided. The product has been manufactured and purchased. It’d be like buying a drill only to find out that you have to pay a fee to use the drill bits you already own, or buying a block of wood and being told that you have to pay the seller money to use the tools you already own to make it into whatever you’re building.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
But his comparisons because people don’t buy the car expecting the seats to have the warming feature. It probably is even offered as an option that the customer rejected upon purchase.
When I download software and pay for the basic tier it has the pro features built in anyhow. I can pay to unlock those pro features but I don’t expect to use those features already just because I already have them.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Whether they’re expecting it or not, the hardware is there and there is no additional technical intervention necessary from the manufacturer necessary for it to function. A monthly fee for a button to turn on my seat warmers is idiotic. Your bizarre infatuation with comparing cars to stadiums is also as frustrating as it is nonsensical.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I would prefer you discussed the point rather than trying to bully me into agreeing.
It is quite possible that the current seat warming arrangements are such that it ends up cheaper for those who want it (since it isn’t custom installed physically) and is of no consequence to those who don’t want it.
If it was enabled for everyone the price of the car could conceivably go up for everyone. Admittedly that may not necessarily be how it works out but it is a possibility.
x00z@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Satellite TV is a service that requires constant upkeep by the companies which costs money.
And your football stadium is a bad analogy.