If you don’t feel like stating your opinion on which country is better off and why, then you could just say that outright or say nothing. You really don’t have to go to all of this trouble to pontificate about how it is unreasonable to even consider the matter. 😜
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zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 days agoThere’s two issues. The one is that prosperity is already very ambiguous, and in the context of nations we usually default to easily measurable things like GDP but that doesn’t define human well-being. Look at the US for a stark example. And the person who asked the question didn’t clarify for a reason.
But the bigger issue is that it’s just the wrong question. Any definition of prosperity for one people can be built upon the subjugation and exploitation of others. And that’s exactly what happened and continues to happen for “former” colonial powers, as well as aligned governments (which includes a lot of puppets). Hence US foreign policy.
bitcrafter@programming.dev 2 days ago
zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
So prosperity for one people is worth any price to you?
bitcrafter@programming.dev 1 day ago
I will take from your attempt to throw a “Gotchya!” at me that you acknowledge that you are unwilling to state your own opinion on the matter.
zqps@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
The question itself was a cheap gotcha. Shockingly, it’s not as simple as that as I’ve been pointing out.
It’s unfortunate that any attempt to insert some nuance automatically makes me the enemy in your simplistic position on the matter. And now ego prevents you from backing off of this kind of thinking by any means, no matter what toxic and regressive conclusions it takes you to.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 days ago
I think that’s a fairly cynical take of the question that was asked. I’m not sure which peoples are being subjugated and exploited in South Korea. And in the context of North Korea, I’m not sure what your exact point is with regards to oppression, as it seems that issue is much more severe there.
The question remains: what should the question have been then? Population happiness then? Life expectancy? How would you measure which country is doing better, and in which comparison does NK come out on top over SK?
zqps@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
I didn’t say the people of South Korea are being subjugated. Not sure how I could have made clearer that these are two separate issues…
You also won’t find me defending NK. Not everything should devolve into tribalism and dunking on whatever we perceive as the other team. Which is exactly what I’m criticizing about this question and the way it was asked.
bitcrafter@programming.dev 19 hours ago
Quote the comment that started all of this:
I acknowledge that this is not your comment, but you stepped in and answered a question directed at this person, so you should not act so surprised that you have become associated with their position, especially since you continue to work really hard to do everything except actually state your own opinion, except insofar that “everything is too complicated for anyone to have an opinion” counts as an opinion.
zqps@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
Yeah it was asked in bad faith and framed in a manupulative way.
That’s not a good thing, no matter if you disagree with the person it was directed at.