Comment on Sony cracks down on Concord custom servers, issues DMCA takedowns on gameplay videos

• ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Digital ownership is probably going to happen, but it’s going to take a generation of politicians to die off. Once we get more people that understand computers and digital goods aren’t magic, there can be change.

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• 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  In case you weren’t away, we’ve never had digital ownership. All software has been licensed since the dawn of software, including physical media you’ve bought

  Are you using a product that is no longer sold because you have the physical media? If the rights holder decides to go after you to compel you to stop or even try to collect damages, they fucking can.

  They historically haven’t because it’s a terrible PR move and they might not have a chance in court due to the physical nature of the transaction; but you’ve never “owned” software in the same way you’ve never owned a movie or music. The sale has always been a license and a physical copy.

  The problem has always been the pesky physical copy, which couldn’t be revoked. Since we’ve moved to digital, boomers don’t recognize that this is theft in the digital world they’d never stand for in the real world, and the elite take advantage.

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• Chozo@fedia.io ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  But we don’t actually have ownership rights any more, do we?

  When it comes to video games, we've never had ownership rights. Buying a game has always been just buying a license. The only thing that's changed is that now publishers have a mechanism with which to enforce it.

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  • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fuck that, when I bought Chrono Trigger for the SNES, I owned that game. I still own that game. Nintendo has not broken into my home to rescind my license to a physical cartridge that I purchased.

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    • missingno@fedia.io ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Legally speaking, you own the physical cartridge, but you only own a license to the software on the cartridge.

      Practically speaking, no one will break into your house to control what you do with the cartridge.

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    • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’ve never owned Chrono Trigger.

      Sorry, another way in which the world was a lie.

      But as the other person replying said, with physical media they’d have to break into your house; probably not happening without them wining some kind of devastating lawsuit against you.

      Anyway the point we’re all making by pointing out this seemingly pedantic distinction is that digital media is sold in the same way physical was (just, without the need to transport a physical object to provide access to the media); this is what allows media companies to now take advantage. Whether it’s losing all your “owned” movies when the PS3 store shut down, or your games being “stolen” when Ubisoft shuts down the license server, etc.

      Laws haven’t caught up because this transition happened gradually and without such poor practices; and now through regulatory capture will largely be ignored.

      It’s a class war and they’re winning, even though they have no idea what the consequences will be as long as they get to live in opulence and control for now.

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  • hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That is absolutely untrue. Games used to be sold as a physical object containing the game files. No serial numbers to redeem, no servers, no downloads or updates. Sometimes you’d get a booklet with the game that had some codes in it that the game would ask for on startup to make making copies a little more difficult, but that was it.

    You’d literally have everything you need just on the CD, disk, or cartridge. We 100% owned the game and the system it was played on, and the only way to revoke that would have been to physically break into your house and steal it.

    This whole games as services thing is about 20 years old tops, and it wasn’t even remotely approaching the standard for quite a while after that.

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    • Don_alForno@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Games used to be sold as a physical object containing the game files.

      I can do that today too. I can buy from gog, download the installer an burn it to a DVD. I now own a physical object with the game files that gog or the game publisher can not easily take away from me. I’d still just own a license, not the game, and the license can be revoked. They just couldn’t really keep me from playing the game even after it was.

      You need to understand the difference between having something in your possession and having the rights to it. You never owned any video game, even in the days of cartridges, they were always licenses.

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    • Chozo@fedia.io ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      "Having" is not the same as "owning".

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  • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m not sure why you are downvoted, this is 100% correct.

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  • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t see why I should pay for a license, especially when it can be revoked any time for any reason. That’s just not a valuable product

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    • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You always have. Physical copies are sold as a license to use the product but not copy it (in some jurisdictions this is limited to “copy with intent to distribute”). This is also true of movies, music, and other media. This has been true since physical media has been available.

      Under our current laws, “owning” a piece of media means control of the copyright; seems pedantic when the common terminology for having a piece of physical media is “owning”; but the point is that they would never sell you ownership; they would have to sell you a non-revocable license.

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