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DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 weeks agoIf you don’t want to understand why a system that forced workers and scientists to lie about production numbers or get shot caused famines during industrial centralization and was the absolute worst thing to have happening concurrently I can’t make you.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So your argument is that it wasn’t just Lysenkoism, but the political situation at the time that exacerbated the faults of Lysenkoism which lead to those famines?
Which has been my entire point this whole time?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Everything is contextual and interconnected, but it was Lysenkoism, only possible under authorianism, that broke the core structural principle of a central command economy.
Lysenkoism isn’t a reference to the actions of Lysenko, it refers to the entire system of failures that created it.
Lysenko’s politically derived pseudoscience that started with ideology instead of evidence combined with Stalinist/Maoist paranoia and conflation of scientific dissent with rebellion and threats to the state created the famines from what would have been shortages during the restructuring.
That is all (and more) described by the term.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, exactly. Although I take quite a bit of issue with your depiction of Lysenkoism (you’re presenting it as much broader in scope than even wikipedia claims and certainly more generally impactful to the system than any academic source I’ve read considers it) I don’t think that you’re overall wrong by any stretch! Countries are complex systems, which again has been my entire point, and I’m glad we agree on that.