“x country has GOOD state surveillance of its people. Not BAD surveillance of its people like Y country” can only ever be propaganda.

its silly to pretend otherwise and we’re not having a serious conversation at this point.

But I do imagine that every single post which promotes, as a positive, the oppression of a people’s freedom and dignity by their own government, is either propaganda or the product of a loathing so deep it manifests in an illogical rose tinted view of any perceived competitor.