Yeah, no. You buy services all the time, without owning the thing or person providing the service.
If games are or should be a service is a completely different question. I wholeheartedly think that they are not, but that is irrelevant to the argument. But I can’t stand those polemic phrases that miss the point completely.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
They force it on to us that we cannot own products anymore but instead are “a service” where we are stripped of our rights, are costantly fed with restrictions locked behind more payments and broken products never to be finished as they don’t care about it: they already got their money. And since we don’t have rights, as stated in the user agreements, we can just go fuck ourselves.
So you may be right, that it doesn’t work “like that”, but that’s something those fucked up companies forced upon us without consent. Stop defend those companies dude.
5gruel@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Pointing out bullshit arguments isn’t defending anyone, it’s just being intellectually honest. Not sure what’s better, you being serious or arguing in bad faith.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Your argument is basically “according to their made up rules it doesn’t work like that, so your arguments are bullshit”.
That sounds a lot like defending them.
As a customer you basically have zero rights, when you sign their user agreements. Even when a restaurant kills your partner in a themepark, because they once signed the user agreement for their streaming service (Disney). As a pirate I have more rights than paying customers. You can say what you want but this is factually true. Legally it works like this.
So when I get angry about how they force people into their fucked up world with stupid rules and restrictions they made up, you may be right it doesn’t work like that when you follow their rules. I don’t pay them, I didn’t sign their agreements, so their rules do not apply to me. If I get busted for having an illegal copy of their content I’ll pay a fine and it’s done (happened when I accidentally downloaded something when I went to Germany once).
Back in the days a pirated copy of something was less than the real thing. Worse quality, missing the DVD extras, no updates etc. These days the pirated version has less restrictions and limitations than the real service. No ads, better quality, not lacking behind a season, never pulled from the platform, never broken because they stopped support and only even though it’s an offline game a connection to the now csncelled sever is mandatory, offline download is actual offline download, no locked content like DLC’s, etc.
5gruel@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You can save your breath, I am with you that corporations try to fuck us over at every turn. If you try to not see a villain in someone disagreeing with you, you could’ve seen that from the beginning.
There is also no need to put words in my mouth what my argument was, because it is really simple. The statement “I paid for it therefore I own it” is as false as “if I don’t own it after buying, then there is no such thing as piracy”. The question is whether or not games are a service.
I am probably as pissed off about the hyper-capitalistic encroachment as you are. you should try to not let your emotions impact your reasoning though.