Comment on what's the highest increase in salary you've had or seen?

originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• teichflamme@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So, what happens then?

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  • lustrum@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They offer someone else the job

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    • teichflamme@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, exactly

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      • MajorHavoc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Negotiating hard works fantastically well for people who work in information technology.

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    • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then you dodged a bullet

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  • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s a negotiation. Unless you have a lot of knowledge about the industry you’re working in and what market salaries are, you’re at a disadvantage. You don’t have to say a number. They do - they’re offering you a job. If they refuse to offer you the job until you tell them your salary desire, they are trying to low ball you and you likely don’t want to work there.

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    • teichflamme@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have never been an interviewer or interviewee where you are not supposed to give a number.

      Of course they try to low ball you. You counter act by giving a number that allows you to haggle. That is how negotiation works.

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      • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Supposed to? According to who? There is no law saying you have to give a number. They want you to give a number. That doesn’t necessarily make it a requirement.

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  • 1984@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A stare and patience contest begins.

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    • teichflamme@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As a manager that contest would be ended instantly and I’d tell you to give me a number or get out

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      • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Then you’re a bad manager, that’s not how negotiations work lol

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• mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I did this several times and never got a proper reply. They say stuff like “It depends on the person and is calculated individually”. You can’t really argue over that unless you’re willing to be very pushy or just straight up walk away from the table - which is something you don’t want to do in most cases.

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  • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why not be pushy? Why not be willing to walk away? Everyone’s situation differs but a server tech is not going to be lacking for work opportunities. If it’s calculated individually, you say “ok what would it be in my case?”

    If they say “it depends on what you’re paid now” that’s a HUGE red flag and you should walk

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    • mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not everyone’s opportunities are the same. If you can afford to be pushy and can afford to walk away, then sure - do that. However, I personally would not put the whole opportunity on the line and walk away just because a recruiter won’t tell me a range. In my last interview they didn’t give me any range, while I gave them my expectation, which was a bit inflated, and they just accepted my offer. Could I get more if I knew the range? Probably. But I can’t be mad at them, as they matched my expectation. And I enjoy the job so far.

      It all depends on the situation, as you also mentioned. I’m just arguing that saying “walk away if they don’t tell you a range” is a bit of an exagge and might do more harm to some people than good.

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      • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I mean, if an employer pulls an offer because you asked for the range then you dodged a bullet. As I said and as you said, everyone’s situation is different but - I’m the context of OP’s post they seem to have had the option to negotiate.

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    • custom_situation@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      this is a conversation you usually have before the technical stuff. you’re making sure your ideal pay and their band is in sync.

      being pushy early in the process is terrible advice.

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      • thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah, in my case, the decision to hire me had been made, but HR would of course onboard me. I got kind of blindsided as the person who asked me wasn’t the person who would be making the decision, she was basically a proxy. I asked what the range was and I got some generic “it depends”… I checked most of the boxes for skills but I don’t have a degree and for some reason that’s off-putting to large companies. Anyways yeah it didn’t feel right to be pushy so early

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• custom_situation@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  even then, a position may not be for a certain level so they’re can be a fairly wide band of pay depending on how the interview goes.

  i think most folks vastly overthink it. just ask for the money you want to make. either it’s in the ballpark or it’s not. all this “don’t say a number first” stuff is bullshit imo.

  you definitely do want to know if your desired pay matches their range though. that’s very important.

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• thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  www.tiktok.com/t/ZT86J7mpN/

  That was basically how the meeting went lol

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  • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The NDA bit got me ngl

    Truth is this is an antagonistic negotiation oftentimes. You want to be paid more, they want to pay you as little as possible. There’s unfortunately no playbook, just advice and experience.

    FWIW if they were that evasive I’d just say “look I’m not going to name an initial number, I’d like you to name a range.” But I’m at a somewhat senior level so I have a different experience than others might

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• 0x0@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I usually follow it up with a salary range and they end up matching the lower bound.

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  • mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, saying a range makes no sense. You hope for the high end, but all they hear is the low end. I always say a specific number.

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    • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A range gives you flexibility. I hope for the high end, sure, but I know they’ll go for the low end so I throw a range where I’d be happy with the low.

      Since it’s a range, it’s easy to say No way I’d work for you for less than [low end].

      If you give a fixed value they’ll low ball it and you’ll generally end up in.between theirs and yours, so you’ll have to aim high.

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      • mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you give a fixed value they’ll low ball it and you’ll generally end up in.between theirs and yours, so you’ll have to aim high.

        Exactly. That’s why you say a specific number, which you hope you’ll get (which is a high end of your range), but in your mind be prepared to accept a lower offer (which is a low end of your range). If you say a range it’s like if you said just the low end of the range, the high end doesn’t matter anymore to the recruiter. That’s at least what I’ve been doing recently and it usually works well.

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