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dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
So wait, we hate FUTO but love Immich?
irmadlad@lemmy.world 5 months ago
droolio@feddit.uk 5 months ago
I find it wild in this day and age how questions like (“why do WE hate” such and such) are being asked in the first place, then answered through one person’s opinion piece mindlessly linked from all angles. Please, for gawd sake, stop listening to random fedditors/redditors about what opinions you should adopt!
IMHO (<- there’s a novel approach), the criticisms of FUTO are just as biased and political as FUTO themselves, and everyone should be sceptical of bias from all sides. Apparently, focusing on ‘privacy, decentralization, and right to repair’ - is being too political, and they’re not allowed to have a philosophical take on what they imagine successful open source to be. (Incidentally, I’m not necessarily on FUTOs side, just pissed off at the nature of social media to obviate the need of critical thinking and make everything black or white.)
MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
the criticisms of FUTO are just as biased and political as FUTO themselves,
oh so you’re STUPID stupid
droolio@feddit.uk 5 months ago
Fantastic rebuttal kindergartener, you convinced everyone.
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I mean sure but… did you read the piece linked? It backs up it’s claims. Not gonna sit here and act like I verified every single thing linked in the piece but I checked a good handful and it seems pretty straightforward. FUTO is pretty sketchy at the very least, and there’s good reason to consider them a fascist org
droolio@feddit.uk 5 months ago
Yes I read it when it first came out, and again after a recent update. It’s very opinionated and I remain unconvinced the criticisms amounts to very much. At the least, certainly not to the point where words like nazi and fascist should be thrown around!
For example, I dislike Yarin’s and Lunduke’s politics but I did at least watched Yarin’s interview. (Did you? It was boring, and entirely tech-oriented, nothing controversial at all.) But… trial by association I guess. And anyway, it’s not the article itself I have a problem with - it’s the borrowing of second-hand opinions as if they should be your own. Sometimes, it’s prudent to reserve judgement (until ‘verifying every single thing’), or criticise specific ideas, without leaping to ad hominem per consortium.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
As far as I can tell the worst thing they did was call their source available license open source, which isn’t even that bad.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
My read is that FUTO as a software movement is totally fine, it does what it claims on the tin. The people behind FUTO are a different story, and the main person bankrolling it seems to have friends with odd views (I think they’re blown out of proportion, but they’re still concerning).
You’ll never find a perfect movement. Here’s what FUTO seems to prioritize:
- local first alternatives to big tech
- source availability, but in a way big tech can’t use but home users can
- profitability for devs without coercion or feature gates
That sounds pretty good to me! I’d prefer it to be FOSS, but allowing me to distribute modifications for non-commercial use is probably good enough for most things.
I probably disagree with their founder politically, and I’d run FUTO differently, but I think their software is good and I could maintain it myself if needed, and at the end of the day, that’s what matters to me.
FUTO doesn’t seem interested in getting involved in politics, they’re merely musing philosophically, and their products aren’t profitable, so it doesn’t really matter to me what their political positions are.
artyom@piefed.social 5 months ago
Immich is actually open source.
houjou@jlai.lu 5 months ago
May I ask why do we hate FUTO?
Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
May I ask what the fuck FUTO is?
hikaru755@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The company that employed the core Immich devs about a year ago to give them a full-time salary to keep working on Immich. Founded and funded by a millionaire whose stated goal is to try and make a viable business model out of software that doesn’t abuse its users
nycki@lemmy.world 5 months ago
they’re wearing the clothes of “open source” but they run like a proverbial nazi bar: drewdevault.com/…/2025-10-22-Whats-up-with-FUTO.h…
non_burglar@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, I read this article twice now, and the only identifiable wrongdoing on FUTO’s part is donating to FOSS projects without using their “institutional practice”… Which is a bizarre complaint.
The article is rife with “something ain’t right at FUTO”, but fails to wrap words around that statement.
balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 5 months ago
Except the person who wrote that, regardless of the actual issues with FUTO, cannot be trusted
frongt@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Why do you say they’re unreliable and can’t be trusted?
mmmac@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
The above post isn’t the first I’ve heard bad about FUTO. GrapheneOS has also spoken out against them
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
They’ve been featuring projects on their page that they display their donations on, projects that did not know or outright refused, without their consent or understanding.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I don’t hate FUTO. Personally, I like the idea of licenses that allow unrestricted private use and modification but forbid commercial exploitation. Those two situations are not equivalent. I realize this is an unpopular opinion in many FOSS circles, but we are already being exploited to death by the rich and powerful and they must not be entitled to the value of our collective free labor. If we ever realize a society in which wealth and power is effectively capped for such entities, then I would change my tune. Until then, fuck them. Our collective software is for the collective, not for wealth hoarders and despots.