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Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

it wouldn’t be pushed on us

The Internet was pushed on everyone. AOL and all other ISPs would mail CDs to everyone completely unsolicited. You’d buy a new PC and there would be a link to AOL on the desktop.

how can it be trusted without human verification

You use Google despite no human verification. Yahoo used to function based on human curated lists.

environmental impact

I did the math and posted it on Lemmy. The environmental footprint of AI is big but actually less than the cost to develop a new 3d game ( of which hundreds come out every year). Using AI is the same energy as playing a 3d game.

I see people pointing fingers at data centers the same as car riders looking at the large diesel smoke coming out of a bus and assuming buses are a big pollution source.

It is a problem because it’s like now everyone is playing 3d games all the time instead of only on their off time.

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eatCasserole@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

40,000,000,000 watts

This doesn’t add up though. Fortnite’s player base is only about 10% PC, and the system requirements are pretty modest. It’ll even run on Intel integrated graphics, according to the minimum requirements from Epic.

There’s even a modest chunk (~6%) on Nintendo switch, which, according to Nintendo, draws about 7 watts when playing a game in TV mode.

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- skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Not to mention, the true resource cost of an AI comes from training. Sure, it costs about as much processing and power as a video game to prompt a trained AI. I can believe that. However it takes many thousands of times as much power and processing to train one, and we aren’t even close to halfway through training any general-llm model to the point of being actually useful.
  
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  - Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I referenced training above. Training cost is less than developer costs. Thousands of artists on high end PCs in office space use more energy than a data center. But no one notices because people are spread out across offices.
    
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- Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I didn’t realize Fortnite was played mainly on other platforms!
  
  Fortnite’s player base is only about 10% PC,
  
  PlayStation 42.2% Xbox 28.8% Nintendo Switch 12% PC 11% Mobile (iOS, Android) 6%
  
  millionmilestech.com/fortnite-user/#%3A~%3Atext=c….
  
  PS5, Xbox are both 200+ watts.
  
  So assuming Mobile and Nintendo Switch power use is 0, and all PCs only use 200 watts, that’s still 8,000,000,000 watts. For 1 game.
  
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Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

it wouldn’t be pushed on us

The Internet was pushed on everyone.

Sure companies were excited to promote it, but it was primarily adopted because of a very large amount of people being excited about it.

how can it be trusted without human verification

You use Google despite no human verification. Yahoo used to function based on human curated lists.

I use DuckDuckGo to find sources, not answers. I won’t use them again if they’re trash. They’re accountable for their content.

Human curated lists are still very helpful. In a sense, that was the value of Reddit.

environmental impact

I did the math and posted it on Lemmy.

I’ll take your word for it.

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- Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  a very large amount of people being excited about it.
  
  A very large amount of people are excited by AI. People were excited by pet rocks.
  
  I use DuckDuckGo to find sources, not answers.
  
  DuckDuck is Bing with privacy. When you get a Google AI summary it lists links to read the source.
  
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  - Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The push:excitement ratio was different for the early internet than for ai.
    
    Using those sources would verify the Google summary. For me, it is an unnecessary step. I can just go read the sources directly and skip the summary since I’ll need to read them anyway to verify the summary.
    
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Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Sounds like you forgot to consider the energy cost of developing each AI model. Developing and maintaining a model is vastly more energy intense than 3d game dev. Keep in mind that you can ship a 3d game and ramp down gpu use for dev. But an AI model has to be constantly updated, mostly by completely retraining. Also, noone was clamoring to build massive data centers just to develope one game. Yet they are for one model.

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atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The Internet was 30 years old by the time AOL was sending CDs (even floppies) to people.

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- Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  AI was around for 50 years old before Copilot invaded everything.
  
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  - atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Fair point. Though I would then argue it’s the World Wide Web that was being pushed by AOL in the same way that it’s LLMs that are being pushed today.
    
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