Comment on Jesus hates American "Christians"
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 days agoOk, let me put it in a way that you might understand:
- Person A: "You aren’t an Atheist if you believe in God."
- Person B: "But I identify as an Atheist and I believe in God."
- Person A: “Then you aren’t an Atheist.”
You: “No true Scotsman! Anyone who calls themselves an Atheist is an Atheist, no matter if they believe in God.”
Do you see how this makes no sense?
An Atheist is a person who doesn’t believe in God, not a person who calls themselves an Atheist. And saying you aren’t an Atheist if you don’t believe in God isn’t a fallacy but just purely the definition of the term.
Here’s the Wikipedia definition of a Christian:
A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/ ⓘ) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
(Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians)
So someone who does not follow or adhere a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ is not a Christian. Not by fallacy, but by definition.
snooggums@piefed.world 2 days ago
What you are doing is saying they are not really Christians because they do or don't do X and that is exactly what the fallacy is.
Are priests who molest children not real Christians?
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Again: “They are no true Atheists because they believe in God.”
No true scotsman or not?
snooggums@piefed.world 2 days ago
Not.
An atheist who believes in god is like a vegan who regularly and knowingly eats bacon, they are using the wrong labels. Those both have narrow and clear definitions, unlike religion where there are a ton of things that vary between local practices and traditions that can be used to say that they aren't really X religion.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
And a christian who doesn’t even follow (or doesn’t even know) the basic teachings of Christ is also using the wrong label.