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_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

You talk about,s solidarity afeter having decided that a life-changing sum of money would be used to benefit you and those you deem worthy of yourself.

anarchism is all about mutual association. so yes, anarchist communities would be made of people who agreed to be a community together. this is basic.

Humanity already went through the conditions you described in your post: it was during the middle ages, when cities were tiny nation states at constant war with eachother to scrap the poor and few resources available, serfdom was pretty common and people were lucky to live past 40 years of age. Not exactly my first choice when it comes to decide how I would like to live my future life.

what a first-world mindset. many places in the world still operate like this, you’re just so comfortable in your way of life you don’t even think about them. I would encourage you to break out of that mindset, and show a little interest in the wide world around you.

I almost forgot, you still haven’t explained how should people living in cities and urban areas survive in this future of yours. Does your crop grow on asphalt and concrete or do you see the problem your “vision” would bring to a huge part of any population?

yes, crops do grow in the cities. many cities are turning to urban farming in order to feed people. singapore is a leader in this, because they have a very large population with very little area for anything, let alone farming food. with not only private citizen-grown farms, but also the worlds first commercial rooftop farming company. and it’s not just rooftops, farms are appearing indoors, sometimes taking up entire floors in some skyscrapers. in cities in china, such as chongqing and shenzhen, urban farms and gardens are very common, and shoved into whatever small areas they can be put into. i’ve seen them in alleys, dead space between buildings, on rooftops, hanging from the ceiling, and even on top of concrete walls in the form of potted crops.

but it’s not just asia, places like new york city are also mandating green spaces on top of some skyscrapers as well. those can take the form of parks, or farms, depending on the preferences of the building owners, as long as they are natural plants. furthermore, many residential apartment buildings in places like new york, chicago, and other american cities are seeing rooftop farms appear. in reality, almost everyone can grow some food for themselves, even if all you have is a single small window sill.

you seem to be very ignorant of the world. I would also encourage you to seek out information on green initiatives, and how people in cities are dealing with the problems they face in an urban landscape. there is no doubt that you are speaking on a topic you are woefully unprepared for.

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FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

anarchism is all about mutual association. so yes, anarchist communities would be made of people who agreed to be a community together. this is basic.

Being considered worthy of living in a space you so kindly have cut out of the external world is not association if you still haven’t realised that.

what a first-world mindset. many places in the world still operate like this, you’re just so comfortable in your way of life you don’t even think about them. I would encourage you to break out of that mindset, and show a little interest in the wide world around you.

And still I wouldn’t want to live like that. Our goal as a specie should be to elevate those living in hellish scenario like the one I described and that you so eagerly wish for all of us. Maybe this hasn’t crossed your mind since you must be very young and fairly able bodied, but not everyone is capable of living in conditions where safe drinking water is unavailable and the best health care is relying on the phase of the moon to ingest the medicine cooked up by a wannabe shaman. It’s not about being comfortable, it’s about making everything better for everybody, for Christ’ sake. You want to see millions of people die while you gloat about your helm and your ditch sorrounding it? Go for it, but at least don’t call it “solidarity”; call it for what it is: egoism and main character syndrome.

yes, crops do grow in the cities. many cities are turning to urban farming in order to feed people. singapore is a leader in this, because they have a very large population with very little area for anything, let alone farming food. with not only private citizen-grown farms, but also the worlds first commercial rooftop farming company. and it’s not just rooftops, farms are appearing indoors, sometimes taking up entire floors in some skyscrapers. in cities in china, such as chongqing and shenzhen, urban farms and gardens are very common, and shoved into whatever small areas they can be put into. i’ve seen them in alleys, dead space between buildings, on rooftops, hanging from the ceiling, and even on top of concrete walls in the form of potted crops.

but it’s not just asia, places like new york city are also mandating green spaces on top of some skyscrapers as well. those can take the form of parks, or farms, depending on the preferences of the building owners, as long as they are natural plants. furthermore, many residential apartment buildings in places like new york, chicago, and other american cities are seeing rooftop farms appear. in reality, almost everyone can grow some food for themselves, even if all you have is a single small window sill.

you seem to be very ignorant of the world. I would also encourage you to seek out information on green initiatives, and how people in cities are dealing with the problems they face in an urban landscape. there is no doubt that you are speaking on a topic you are woefully unprepared for.

Good luck feeding a city of millions with the fruits of planted pottery. You’re gonna need a lot of pottery. Jesus Christ, a proper lot of pottery.

if the best you can do to argue against me is bring up a fictional zombie apocalypse in which everyone was infected and died, then perhaps it is time to admit you already lost the argument. we’re talking about reality here and what is happening right now all across the world, not your fantasy horror worlds.

If the best you can do is responding to a snarky remark I left at the end of my comment thinking that it was the main point I was trying to make while imagining cities where millions of people live able to support themselves with only a couple of trees and tomato plants and completely misunderstanding the meaning of the anarchist mindset I’m afraid we’re not having an argument at all, we are displaying the level of delusion you are willing to let yourself live in. Just like those asking for a civil war do not absolutely understand what they’re asking for so do you with your call for an uncontrolled fall of the system.

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- _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  Being considered worthy of living in a space you so kindly have cut out of the external world is not association if you still haven’t realised that.
  
  that exactly is what mutual association is. I suggest you read the AFAQ, because you very clearly do not know anything about anarchism. the freedom of association requires the freedom to disassociate.
  
  as for the rest of your comment, it takes a real special sort of person to look at examples I gave you of cities literally feeding thousands of people through urban farms and go “nah, I can’t conceive of that being true, so it isn’t”. that’s MAGA levels of denial. it doesn’t matter your opinion or feelings on the matter. it’s a real thing, it’s happening now, and it’s slowly being scaled upwards. snarky bullshit remarks aren’t going to change that.
  
  I will be blocking you now. you’re not interested in accepting reality, and so our mutual association is no longer mutual, and I’m taking advantage my freedom to cut closed-minded useless people out of my life. live the rest of your sad little life as a slave to capitalism in whatever depressing, dystopian way seems best to you.
  
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  - FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Keep on disassociating from someone who is trying to make you think about the result of your actions, that’s exactly how grown up people act and that’s gonna make associating so much wider when you’ll find yourself alone in your fiery outrage. A perfect example of a pizza cutter kind of anarchist, all edge, no point.
    
    You talk about agricultural projects which feed thousands in cities where MILLIONS of people live. You talk about cooperation but you don’t consider those who are unable to cooperate due to age, health conditions or any ithe reason. You talk about changing the system but you offer nonviable alternative other than “break it all down and hope for the best”. I’m sorry, I can’t be bothered with auch juvenile ideas of revolution, they would only bring death and suffering for too many people to be considered viable. I hope you’ll grow up sooner rather than later and realise that we can only hope to improve the situation when we will learn everything about the positives of the current system and how we can keep them while discarding everything else.
    
    As for myself I’ll be living in this hellish capitalist system as you will until it won’t collapse on itself or until I’ll die, it rest to be seen what happens first. But I’ll be living in it with the clear objective of improving it without needing to kill hundreds of thousands of people during that process, thank you very much
    
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