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It was demonstrably not a lie. There were so many regions in support of it that it was dangerously close to passing.

It really wasn’t. It couldn’t have been close to passing without a vote even taking place. The vote was scheduled for October 14th. However, since countries representing more than 35% of the EU population have declared their opposition to this proposal, it has been canceled.

A lot of countries have indeed declared support, though this is completely separate from the vote. There, it’d require a qualified majority (55% of member states in favor, or countries representing 65% of the EU population in favor). Looking at MEPs’ public statements, it’s unlikely that the vote would have passed.

Nonetheless, it remains troubling that they keep trying to force this proposal through. We have to push back every single time, but they only need it to pass once. Who knows what the future may hold.

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artyom@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

It couldn’t have been close to passing without a vote even taking place.

Huh?

countries representing more than 35% of the EU population have declared their opposition

That’s not even half…

A lot of countries have indeed declared support, though this is completely separate from the vote.

That’s because, as you mentioned earlier, the vote never happened.

There, it’d require a qualified majority (55% of member states in favor, or countries representing 65% of the EU population in favor)

Which, according to your own numbers, they already had.

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- DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Huh? Do countries voicing their approval or disapproval not count as a “vote”?
  
  No. The stances of countries are the [leaked] stances of their respective governments. Which may or may not reflect the views of the country’s MEPs. You can read more here: Fight Chat Control
  
  That’s not even half…
  
  True, and that’s indeed very concerning. However, it should be noted that this is not how many countries are against this proposal, but how many countries oppose it enough to reject it before voting. Many countries currently ‘undecided’ are likely to vote against the proposal in the end (if a vote took place). Likewise, some of them could vote in favor.
  
  Which, according to your own numbers, they already had.
  
  Not at all. I mentioned that, with Germany changing their stance to against, we had over 35% of the EU population against. Which means in favor and undecided both had less than 65% together. Right now I can’t count the populations, but there’s 12 countries in favor, 9 against and 6 undecided. This by no means gives the countries in favor a qualified majority. Unless at least half of undecided (3 countries) fully voted in favor. Which is fairly unlikely.
  
  Additionally, as I mentioned above, these numbers are for the member states’ governments, not their MEPs. Usually MEPs are more pro-people, but of course, it depends on the country and its current government.
  
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