Comment on EU Chat Control didnt pass - proving the media got to alot of you
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What a bizarre take. The EU council is backing down - they do want chat control but each time they propose it they meet resistance and back down. Then they come back again and try again.
To suggest the public reaction is overblown and media manipulation is bizarre. This is the 3rd or 4th time the EU has attempted to get this through. Just because they chickened out of a vote doesn’t mean the politicians don’t want this.
In a democracy votes happen. In the EU they keep resurrecting this terrible idea hoping to get it through but then backing away if they don’t think they can win. They know if there was an actual vote it likely would put an end to his.
Also the EU council is the antithesis of a democracy. It is not directly elected - instead it’s a club of the heads of states of all the countries in the EU. It just represents who happens to be in charge of each country, and gives equal weights to all those countries regardless of their population size. The EU has a Parliament but it’s a fig leaf of democracy as so much power is held in bodies like the Council and the Commission (which is 1 post per state and horse traded not elected).
So please don’t make this out as a sign that EU democracy works. If EI democracy was wpwkrong properly they would have listened the first time, and they’d have moved to a directly elected system.For the executive Council and commission years ago.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
I don’t know. I live in Russia. One can say things like “aggressor state” and such, but if democracy worked here, we’d probably have no nukes by now, and I don’t think this would have worked well, aggression or not.
While the last few years show more and more persuasively that it’s unwise to let go of your weapons, any democracy in Russia in a long period between now and 1999 would have resulted in a radical contraction of the military and everything associated with it. Because it was very easy to believe that the world is different now and daddy USA is the global power for good that will keep peace. And that “rules-based order” really exists. And what not.
Propaganda is a thing. The EU is maybe not democratic, but making it such one should first make brakes.
At least the EU includes France which has nukes. In case world suddenly becomes even crazier.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
What exactly would not have worked without nukes?
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 23 hours ago
Having an option of saying no when threatened with one.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
Oh yea I suppose Russia would have had to say “no” to invading Ukraine. Terrible thought /s