Comment on Climate goals go up in smoke as US datacenters turn to coal

• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  capitalism works by extracting surplus value from workers so the owner class can have it.

  surplus value can’t be extracted from technology, it can only make workers more efficient cost for cost.

  we don’t own the datacenters, therefore it won’t ever be making value to us.

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  • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Surplus value cannot be extracted from technology? I guess if you mean directly.

    Every technological advancement has been used to to create more value that workers produce that gets stolen by the owner class, so through the transitive property, 100% percent of the value created by technology is stolen from the people actually using the technology to produce the value.

    We’ve had insane technology breakthroughs that have made the value we produce skyrocket, and we’re in the negative, by a shit ton.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      it can only make workers more efficient cost for cost.

      i literally said this.

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      • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Edited that comment while you were reading.

        Yeah I know that, but you also said this:

        surplus value can’t be extracted from technology, it can only make workers more efficient cost for cost.

        we don’t own the datacenters, therefore it won’t ever be making value to us.

        Nuance is important.

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• masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Your issue is clearly with capitalism, and yet you’re brain deadly bitching about AI instead.

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  • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We’re just going to pretend that the only reason companies are funding AI research isn’t because they want to replace the work force because it could be cheaper?

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    • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They should. That’s how automation works. We should be building a society that doesn’t require as much work, not insisting on doing work hat machines could do for now reason.

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      • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That shit is not going to mesh well with our current system at all. Hence talking about both.

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