Comment on Framework supporting far-right racists?
majster@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I really don’t know if people actually mean fascism/nazism or is this just a term applied to xenophobic nationalism. I see this all around fedi and I genuinely can’t tell which case it is.
Palingenetic ultranationalism is a definition of “true fascism” proposed by political theorist Roger Griffin.
So, you are painting with a fairly fine brush there. While “Nazi” is more metaphorical, there are definitely people with authority in the US government that are literally fascists.
most xenophobic nationalists want a strong leader that “cleans up” ASAP with deportations. while technically not the same, it’s IMO pretty damn close.
SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe 3 weeks ago
@majster @pegazz What's the difference? And why should anyone who isn't a fascist, a nazi, or a xenophobic nationalist care?
Flipper@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
For the same reason you compare things lightly to the holocaust. At some point the word looses the gravity of it’s meaning.
majster@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I would say basic respect of human dignity. Fascism/nazism was always violent and unlawful. I care because fascism/nazism is really really terrible with horrible consequences for real people in real world and would thus like to now what are even talking about.
wetling@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Are you saying the consequences of xenophobic nationalism are not terrible or horrible?
SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe 3 weeks ago
@wetling where I live (the USA), both fascism and nazism are lawful. Xenophobic nationalism is always violent and usually lawful. As you point out, all three have horrible consequences. So the distinctions @majster was trying to draw seem incoherent to me.
majster@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
To me arguing for changes in visa quotas and border control is not equal to advocating for forceful expulsion of people already living somewhere. To me that seems to be difference between moderates/fascists. CDU/AfD difference if you will.