if you don’t have time then why bother debating?

I’m here cause i’m mildly drunk and cause i wanna entertain myself and people of lemmy with a philosophical blabber. No hurt feelings.

@Teppichbrand@feddit.org This is why I don’t bother debating with carnists. To them the pain and suffering they cause is just a mildly interesting talking point that they use for their ghoulish entertainment. They will demand an original write up to the same tired talking points you and I have seen a dozen times and will not genuinely engage with anything you link

Anywho, the article you provided… It seems like a dramatic personal story

It isn’t if you read past the introductory paragraph and actually watched the media like I asked.

I was raised in a village, where we had our own livestock, and i’ve seen my share of cruelty.

So you agree that it’s cruel? What the fuck was your point about “we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them”

Being kind and generous, as opposed to being cruel, is a vanity.

no, it’s a virtue. I dont know what you think a vanity is, but being kind and generous are virtues.

So if you think that veganism is highly moral, you’d better tell me the plan to make everybody vegan, so everyone would have a sound sleep at night.

At this point I’m fully in support of “ask once, shoot twice (if you can get away with it)”. Glory to the armed animal resistance.

The article makes for a dramatic story, but otherwise offers no solution to the conundrum,

You didn’t read it. You so clearly didn’t read it

What to do? In 2012, researcher Kathyn Gillespie visited a livestock auction for her paper Witnessing Animal Others: Bearing Witness, Grief and the Political Function of Emotion. The experience showed an erasure so complete that, even with the suffering bang in front of them, the crowd saw nothing amiss. “The audience was filled with buyers and spectators talking cheerfully about the animals, prices, their farms and families,” writes Gillespie. “For humans who farm and are in the animal product industry, the auction is a jovial place where they can come together for some lighthearted banter and a meal in the auction canteen. The auction is not scripted as a place of human or animal grief. Animals’ lives and bodies in this space are thoroughly commodified, their suffering illegible to the accustomed observer, the violence against them made mundane through its regularity.“ (3)

Emphasis mine

not to mention that it barely relates to the topic, that , might i remind you, being “is veganism a virtue” smuglord smuglord smuglord

Another problem is that farm animals don’t talk much about their feelings, ro we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them, thus we can’t say whether we’re helping them by stopping the process

You fucking brought it up!! Jesus christ carnists are some of the most navel-gazing smuggest pieces of reddit-brained shits out there.