Comment on Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without an online account

Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  In theory Pluton enforcement platform-wide, which also includes forced SecureBoot without the ability to install user-signed keys, could block alt OSes on PC though.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m gonna need an explanation how anything could prevent me from just formatting the drive and doing what I want, barring the use of proprietary hardware.

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    • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Forced SecureBoot with only MS keys and no way to install user-signed keys and no Linux shim would block non-Windows OSes from booting.

      Basically, Pluton functions similar to how mobile devices function in terms of locked bootloaders.

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    • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Proprietary hardware, like opaque bioses that can only be updated with signed, proprietary blobs? The bios that’s in charge of picking something to boot from from storage? The bios that can decide which bootloader is allowed through digital signatures? The signatures that are only valid if their public key is registered in the bios? The proprietary, opaque bios that decide which bootloader’s signature is valid through keys it can restrict?

      Yeah, it’s all coming together. Always has been. Joking aside, I’m still surprised this whole “fully locked bios” didn’t take off. And I’m glad for it.

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m pretty sure that unless you use some unusual SBC, all your computer parts are proprietary hardware.

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Fortunately, Pluton never caught on and that hasn’t happened so far.

    I’m confused. don’t all recent AMD and intel CPUs have pluton included? I remember such an AMD announcement from ryzen 6000 and onwards, and for intel too

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    • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s not implemented in custom builds and most prebuilts to my knowledge.

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• adarza@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  just give 'em time. it’s still a bit early in the game for that play

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• DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  In a few years If authoritarian shitholes keep fucking getting their way I can see using an “unverified/ unattackable OS” to be a “national security violation”

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