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The record, the GOP could, if they wanted to, have a simple-majority vote to change the rules for this particular vote, such that it would only require a simple majority to pass.

They don’t want to do that, because this shut down gives trump extreme power to determine what is or isn’t “essential”. So, ICE, FBI, law enforcement, the Military will continue working/operating without pay. same with the fuckers building the ballroom. people who are not essential- like national parks, the government’s cybersecurity guys, people that support wick or snap or HUD etc… the courts…

yeah. So. basically it’s all just a giant cash and power grab. Nazis doing Nazis shit.

In any case, if somehow they manage to not ever get a bill past, yes, eventually the government collapses and shit gets real fucked real quick.

Thats more or less what the GOP want, though. which is why they made it incredibly objectionable and refused to negotiate with the Dems.

and yes, if the government gets funded again, you will still owe taxes.

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foggy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Just for context, almost every federal court is a branch of a state court. State courts are still functioning. This is how a lot (not all) of the govt is.

So yeah lots of workers furloughed but barely a single building unoccupied due to the shutdown.

This is equally true of cybersecurity. For example, a non federal sysadmin may have privs to install, remove, maintain security software. That software is a private company and 24/7 SOC.

Source: im a apart of your 24/7 SOC with lots of govt clients, many clients with both federal and state workers, etc.

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- mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Just for context, almost every federal court is a branch of a state court.
  
  This is not true at all.
  
  Federal courts are part of the judicial branch, not the executive branch. So they don’t shut down when the executive branch “shuts down”, because the shutdown laws don’t apply to them. As a practical matter federal courts can keep running for a while using saved up court fee revenue. They will eventually run out of that money and gave some tough choices about what to do.
  
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  - foggy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    They operate under the exact same roof. Usually labeled as two separate addresses for tax purposes. It is exactly true.
    
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Cassanderer@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Repubs also know from experience the dems will fold on threats of scuttling the ship of state.

Just like increasing the borrowing limit in 2024 was it, or 23, and not defaulting. Biden said for months he would not negotiate, and then folded like a cheap suit when it came down to it. Not a one-off situation the Democrats always fold.

Dems will give in on terroristic threats. There is no improving anything until we get new opposition politicians that is all there is to it. If Hakeem and Chuck are still running the show you might as well not pay attention because it will just harm your mental well-being. Not a single challenge for any leadership positions what the fuck is wrong with this party?

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makyo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
And to add to that, the Republicans can remove the Senate veto at literally any time with a simple majority vote so it’s clear they think it still serves them to leave it in place. They will remove it when/if that calculus changes.

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- Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s insane that such a pivotal rule is removal by simple majority
  
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