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These figures are too cherry picked for the shock value. You could go the opposite end and say that (these are all true, I’ve tried my best to research them):

8.5 Wh (average of all daily queries for a user) is also…

Equivalent to running a 2000 W hair dryer or a kettle for 20 seconds
Equivalent to idling a car during a traffic light and not turning off the engine
A quarter of the energy required to reheat a ready meal in the microwave (roughly 45 Wh)
The power usage of a Macbook screen over just 30 minutes.

850 MWh (whole consumption of all AI queries in the world) is also equivalent to…

The power consumption of ONE single cruise ship for 12h (link)
Charging 0.002% of the 75 million electric cars in the world
The energy stored in the fuel tanks of 2000 petrol cars - a small stadium car park in Europe
The amount of energy the largest solar plant in Spain or Germany generate… In a couple of hours.

So yes - AI bad… But for other reasons. This is a diversion. Datacentres powered by coal are bad. Cruise ships are worse.

The problem isn’t that the whole world needs less than a solar farm’s worth of energy for AI. The bigger problem is the social damage of AI - including the fact that this “expansion at all costs” is justifying getting that energy from non-renewable sources.

But seriously, one single cruise ship uses more energy than all of the AI in the world. They serve no useful purpose and there are hundreds of those.

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fading_person@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Considering only the queries ommits all the energy used in training models, scraping and preparing data and all the indirect energy from putting a greater load in servers all around the world from scraping them all the time. oh, and all the energy in the manufacturing processes of the hardware, and from building the servers. We must consider the consumption of the industry as a whole, or we’re being biased as well.

Articles keep showing up explaining how queries aren’t so power-hungry, but the corporations keep draining more and more energy, building more and more power plants that never keep up with the demand, and so on.

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wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Datacentres powered by coal are bad. Cruise ships are worse.

Coal Vs Marine fuel. You’ve picked the kings of pollution.

Coal is worse for CO2. The free carbon it releases binds with oxygen in the atmosphere to produce more CO2 mass than the coal itself. It’s crazy how much CO2 it generates.

Heavy fuel oil / bunker oil / marine fuel is cheap ass shit that contains masses of pollutants. So whilst it won’t generate as much CO2, it will create a load of other stuff including Sulphur Dioxide. That creates acid rain.

Here’s an idea. Let’s do neither of them.

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Energy usage may not be astronomical right now but AI is going into everything. Like EVERYTHING! It’ll be running even when you don’t think it’s running, when you think it makes no sense to be running. Usage of AI itself will skyrocket and the fastest energy sources that can be acquired are likely to come first.

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- null@lemmy.nullspace.lol ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And it will also become more and more efficient over that time.
  
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  - architect@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Once this thing gets trained it’s not going to be free.
    
    It feels similar to when I was first on the internet. Older people thought it was a fad. They made jokes about it on sitcoms. The bubble burst and everyone was like ahhh knew it the internet sucks! Then the smart phone hit 🚀
    
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    null@lemmy.nullspace.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    “This thing”
    
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chunes@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Cargo ships are even worse. The amount they pollute is staggering to such a degree that I’m actually glade trade between the USA and China is strained.

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- Soup@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  At least they’re doing something. Rampant consumerism aside they’re shipping physical goods in the most efficient way we have available to us. AI though? What the hell is it even doing? It ain’t being helpful that’s for sure, and that’s not even the goal of it, either, so instead of it being “teething problems” is just the usual bullshit of capitalists hurting everyone else over their latest obssession.
  
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- Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You could me cruise ships
  
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- Scrambled777@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Cargo ships are getting way more efficient and less polluting. I work on container ships which have a capacity ranging from 14k to 20k teu.
  
  Imagine transporting these many containers from 1 continent to another via trucks. The amount of pollution they would be emitting on land.
  
  There are strict regulations in place regarding emission. Now with the introduction of dual-fuel ships, they are going to be more environmental friendly.
  
  It’s a concept of the past that cargo ships are pollution factories.
  
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  - pirat@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I didn’t quite understand the abbreviation “teu”, so I searched for it, and it seems it means “twenty-foot equivalent unit”.
    
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    Scrambled777@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you mate. You are a gem.
    
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  - chunes@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Genuinely glad to hear they’re improving.
    
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    Scrambled777@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes my friend.
    
    Also in recent years, huge push for renewable energy from EU, China, India etc. is a step in right direction. It may take time for the world to consume less coal and petroleum, but in the meantime production from renewable source will only increase.
    
    Long way to go, but we are on right path. Maybe our children’s get to see a good future.
    
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